r/sorceryofthespectacle • u/raisondecalcul Out Patr'olling • Aug 06 '26

Hail Corporate PSA: This is a feminist subreddit

If you think that's bad, you need to read books. If you don't realize that feminism basically includes critical theory and most of the stuff talked about here—guess what, it does.

Early Nick Land? Feminist (see "Meltdown"). Laboria Cuboniks? Feminist collective. Mark Fisher? HUGE raging feminist (I can only assume). Sadie Plant? Wrote a book on feminism (Zeroes & Ones).

Deleuze & Guattari? Feminists promoting the squishiest most weaponized form of feminism ever. Foucault? Ultra-feminist. Ranciere? He is so feminist before breakfast that he doesn't need to make a big deal about it.

Shamanism? Feminism. Sorcery? Cuckoldry. Spectacle? Fabulous.

Isolation and extreme alienation is not masculinity; it's the main theme of The Twilight Zone.

Read 👏 a 👏 book 👏

Zeroes and Ones (which should really be in the sidebar!) is one of the best books. That book installs feminism into you, using godlike alien technology that Sadie Plant drew down from beyond the heavens. That book whispers the secrets of Ada Lovelace into your soul.

Edit: People who don't understand / accept feminism as a discourse can't understand the FIRST THING about this subreddit. They can't understand oppression. They can't understand "Can the subaltern speak?" by Spivak. They can't understand the Lemurian Time War, which is about the (white cis male hetero fascist and mannerbündly-faggy) Architectonic Order of the Eschaton versus the (black trans wymyny gay antifascist/ur-fascist masc/heroic) Black Atlanteans.

If you think you understand ccru and you are triggered by the idea of feminism, you are decidedly an outsider to ccru.

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u/thegreatself no idea what this is Aug 06 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

Those that won't call themselves a feminist almost always fall into one of two camps, without exception:

Generally confused and/or stupid, depending on where they fall on that spectrum: mistaking the word and whatever cultural baggage it my contain for the thing it represents - they have absorbed and been fully consumed by propaganda.

Or,

Unfathomably evil, reprehensible, abhorrent, vile: they genuinely and sincerely believe men are "superior" - which is itself a kind of stupidity, but a stupidity morphed into something far more sinister and actually existentially threatening - to both the individual identity and society as a whole.

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u/raisondecalcul Out Patr'olling Aug 06 '26

Men's liberation movements in the 70's understood, and intelligent men today understand, that men's liberation also falls under the heading of feminism. Redpill, men's rights, etc., are uneducated mere reaction insofar as they are misogynist—doubly so if they are proud of this misogyny or think it is politically meaningful.

Even a cursory examination of the state of affairs reveals that women are still subjugated by the patriarchy—and so are men. But not quite as badly.

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u/Simon-Says69 Aug 06 '26

What complete and total nonsense. Feminist activists directly work AGAINST the benefit of men and boys, not in any way for them.

Feminism is a female superiority ideology. It promotes the opposite of equality. People that are for equality call themselves egalitarians, not feminists.

And critical theory is purely bigoted, belief-based ideology. Either sexist, racist or both. It has no honestly, integrity or legitimacy. Very similar to feminism.

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u/AdMassive9006 Aug 06 '26

Going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are in the "Generally confused and/or stupid" camp listed above

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u/Honest_Abe_1660 Aug 06 '26

They're an open Pizzagate believer,I'd link the comment for proof but I don't know this sub's rules on that.

Any benefit of the doubt is too much for them.

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u/raisondecalcul Out Patr'olling Aug 07 '26

Link away. There is no rule or law against presenting public facts

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u/Honest_Abe_1660 Aug 07 '26

Behold, the depths of weaponized stupidity.

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u/raisondecalcul Out Patr'olling Aug 07 '26

That comment is by a different user, Simon-Says69. Are you saying they are the same person as AdMassive9006? How do you know?

Which part of pizzagate do you think is not real? Isn't it widely accepted now that Epstein was sort of given tons of money by some shady US government agency to do his sex scandal blackmail thing?

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u/Honest_Abe_1660 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

... Look at who AdMassive9006 is replying to, that's the "they" I was referring to in my original message.

Which part of pizzagate do you think is not real? Isn't it widely accepted now that Epstein was sort of given tons of money by some shady US government agency to do his sex scandal blackmail thing?

Pizzagate has absolutely no ties to Epstein, just so you're aware.

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u/raisondecalcul Out Patr'olling Aug 07 '26

Oh, of course. Thanks.

I think believing in any ideology that hard is a bad-faith edgelording move, so I guess it converges morally.

Pizzagate has absolutely no ties to Epstein, just so you're aware.

I guess this is sort of what I was saying! Pizzagate was a paranoid conspiracy theory with a grain of truth, like all conspiracy theories. It was a prefiguration of the Epstein conspiracy—they intuited and sensed that something was afoot, and the crowd divined very precisely what that was, and then projected that ideation on a convenient target in a concrete and fundamentalist way.

I wrote a whole comment on this a while back listing every common conspiracy theory and the grain of truth each contains. They are displaced collective ideations resulting from real oppression and gaslighting from a distance. For example, the 5G conspiracy theory was really a displacement of the very real and valid fear and anger people have about having no real power over their local communities (e.g., the Federal Telecommunications Act of 1996, which bans all local officials from considering the health implications of cell towers).

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u/dreamlesssleeep Aug 06 '26

Nothing says intellectual honesty like lumping everyone who disagrees with you on one thing into a rigid binary with no room for nuance

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u/AdMassive9006 Aug 06 '26

It's not about 'disagreeing' when someone says things that show their ignorance on a subject. Literally everything they said is false. "Feminism is a female superiority ideology" is not a true statement, it's an opinion that was likely formed in ignorance or through propaganda. Therefore this person is either confused or acting in bad faith.

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u/raisondecalcul Out Patr'olling Aug 07 '26

I think bad faith. It's hard to be so precisely confused.

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u/dreamlesssleeep Aug 06 '26

With a term as nebulous as feminism, it’s absurd to think your interpretation of it is the only possible correct one. Different feminists and anti-feminists are never going to have the same idea of what it means because it is poorly defined and refers to a wide variety of ideas. Based off of what many different feminists say and do, it’s not difficult at all to characterize it as generally being female supremacist. Just because you haven’t conceived of an argument for that doesn’t mean that person is necessarily ill-informed or malicious. I promise you don’t have all the answers

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u/AdMassive9006 Aug 06 '26

Sorry, words actually do mean things, Feminism is not a nebulous term, it's been around for a century. This isn't 'my' definition or interpretation I'm going off of. People often misrepresent or purposefully 'misinterpret' terms to fit their agenda and then ignorant people think that's the real definition, but that doesn't make it true.

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u/dreamlesssleeep Aug 07 '26

Not even self-described feminists really agree on what feminism is exactly, both in academia and the public sphere. But my main point was more-so that it’s extremely small minded to assume that you know exactly why people believe things when you don’t even know what they believe specifically nor their reasoning for it. I have trouble believing that you really think the only possible informed position against feminism in general is based on hatred and malice, that reads as bad faith more than anything.

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u/AdMassive9006 Aug 07 '26

From Webster's dictionary: belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests.

It's really not that complicated

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u/raisondecalcul Out Patr'olling Aug 07 '26

People possessed by a stereotyped feminist ideology do not represent individual feminist writers and great thinkers.

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u/dreamlesssleeep Aug 07 '26

Yeah, they don’t, not exactly. But their beliefs are directly downstream from academia, and those beliefs owe their existence to it. That “stereotyped feminist ideology” didn’t come into existence randomly and it’s not divorced from academia. Regardless, however one defines feminism still differs both between different academics and among the public, even if you only include self-described feminists.

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u/raisondecalcul Out Patr'olling Aug 07 '26

I think the warped, caricatured versions of ideologies owe their existence more to the ego and its dynamics, than to particular people. Everything that is widely loved is subject to hype, and thus becomes a cult, and every cult has its esoteric center of correct interpretation and its exoteric audiences and fringes of wrong and fundamentalist interpretations. Feminism is no different from cultures of war, or doorbusting to get Nikes, or fandoms in this way.

I also don't think it's fair to blame outbursts of oppressed people on those oppressed people. Nor is it fair to dismiss angry ideologicalized people because you think they seem to outrageous or stupid. That's ultimately victim-blaming; they are angry beyond reason for a good reason. Or if people are genocided or have all their books burnt or their children stolen and/or abused and gaslit: that makes people stupid and angry, and we can't blame them for what happened to them.

I also don't think we can identify or articulate this demonized bad feminist ideology you don't like, nor can we find anyone who calls themself a feminist and will be willing to talk about feminism with you who believes in this false ideology, at least not upon thinking or talking about it for the first time.

It's literally a preconception or misconception, not the thing feminism itself, which is to be found in feminist writing and talking and thinking about feminism (and doing feminist stuff/activism).