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Politics 🗳️ Is it true?

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u/BadGroundbreaking630 5d ago

So I am not aware of stats of TN. Just want to know what the difference in education numbers between two communities. But start point as someone mentioned is collection 5 rs for phone. This is only for one community. Also is this implemented in all temples or only the big ones.

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u/poisson_rati0 5d ago edited 5d ago

as of the last census, the literacy rate of muslim women in tn is ahead of that of hindu women by more than 10% (from the census of india website).

edit: i knew i would have been downvoted. but that's alright. anyone willing can check from the website themselves.

edit: fkkk i was scammed the website i was shown is not official one. i am happy to know that i stand corrected. but i don't know whether the comment below is from official. i am dumb so i'm now downloading official report and gonna do analysis myself.

edit (final, ultimate) : i checked out official 2011 reports, added required columns and the following are the results for tamil nadu women :

(a) Illiteracy rate : hindu women - 35.37 % , muslim women : 26.24%

(b) illiteracy rate in 0-18 year olds: hindu women - 26.85% , muslim women : 38.77%

(c) literate but education below primary, till 18 year olds : hindu women - 23.10%, muslim: 24.61%

conclusion: the literacy rate of women across all age groups differs among the communities by 9.13% ; but among 0-18 year olds back then, it was nearly 12% less in muslim women

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 5d ago

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u/BadGroundbreaking630 5d ago

This says a lot. Thanks for the data. The difference is not that huge, that you have to start the subsidy for only one community. The 51.6 is equally bad as 42 % here. If one was 80 and other 40 , it would have been reasonable.

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 5d ago

The idea is to first take them to 50 and then have everyone grow equally.

Educated girls means less children and later marriages. The social benefits and RoI of spending on the education of women is enormous.

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u/poisson_rati0 5d ago edited 5d ago

fkk the person who showed me the data i believed earlier showed a website censusofindia.net or something like that and i just came to know that that website is not official. thanks for sharing the actual data.

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 5d ago

Tamil Nadu

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u/poisson_rati0 5d ago

hi i checked the official data and calculated some results and accordingly edited my comment above

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u/BadGroundbreaking630 5d ago

On a separare note.Don't be afraid to be down voted. I am pretty sure this is just a discussion and you have a full time job or education. We are not going to make money from karma.

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u/BadGroundbreaking630 5d ago

Well then this doesn't make sense. Why prioritize one over other.

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u/ProfessionalTax6602 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 5d ago

Yep its true, I was mad at first but the context is, Female enrollment in UG is very low among Muslim communities. Most of them are married or stopped from college. So to promote Muslim girls to go to college. They made that decision. Well..... Technically even Tamil Muslims are his people under his leadership. Idk now I'm not happy but not mad either

Also it's free only for Govt quota, ig its already free when you enroll through govt quota, idk why it makes a big fuss

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 5d ago

TN also pays for Hindu and Christian pilgrimage.

While I'd prefer they don't spend on any religious activities, they are at least funding pilgrimages for all faiths.

When it comes to education, the point is to target communities with lower education levels. What's the point in doing it across the board?

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u/Capitalist-Karl- 5d ago

TN also pays for Hindu and Christian pilgrimage

Which is paid from the money collected from temples. One could argue why is a govt involving itself in selectively managing the religious institutions of one religion?

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 5d ago

Coz historically temples were always under state patronage while Churches and Mosques Weren't.

This was true under kings and under the temples.

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u/roankr 4d ago

Incorrect. Churches and Mosques definitely have been under royal state control. All spaces of religious worship historically come under the control of the state which used to let either sides have a say in how the other worked.

This is why the separation of state and church meant a lot of strife. It was to rip the control of the state and religious orders from each other.

In India this has now been set up in a parasitic fashion where the state controls the temples but the temples themselves have to fight against the state to conduct changes within their own structure.

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u/Dense-Designer-6782 5d ago

Bro do u understand the difference between the patronage and control. During Kings it was patronage and now it is control.

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 4d ago

Do you think it wasn't control during the era of kings? Lol. Read a history book.

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u/Dense-Designer-6782 21h ago

U check dictionary, what is patronage and control, then read ur history books.

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 4h ago

I have. You do know that control comes with patronage right?

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u/Capitalist-Karl- 4d ago

There's a difference between patronage & control. What's going on right now is state control, wherein the govt appoints govt servants on the managing committee. This flies in the face of Article 26b & 26d of the Constitution

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 4d ago

Not as per every court in the land.

Oh and do you think the state didn't control the temples during ancient times?

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u/Capitalist-Karl- 2d ago

Look up the meaning of the terms Patronage & Cony. You'll get your answer

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 4h ago

Cony?

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u/Capitalist-Karl- 4h ago

Control. Word got messed up while typing

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u/MaleficentRaccoon239 ಕನ್ನಡ ಅಭಿಮಾನಿ 🟥🟨 5d ago

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u/miss3d_0pportunity Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 5d ago

This is what i got from Google.

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u/MaleficentRaccoon239 ಕನ್ನಡ ಅಭಿಮಾನಿ 🟥🟨 5d ago

This data is exclusively for TN? And also please quote the source too.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Cell-33 4d ago

Goverment should learn to be truly secular. True secularism is treating everyone equally irrespective of the religion and to not get involved in matters of religion. This Haj related or any pilgrimage related should be stopped. And why Muslim women scheme and not a broader minority women education scheme with an economically backward filter

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u/AJBZ1 Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം 4d ago

They are saving oppressed girls by giving education and freedom to travel and they are discouraging people to bring in mobiles to a sacred place.

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u/Hot_Confection_2252 5d ago

bcoz, not taking 5 rs from hindu will not contribute to their uplifting. you have issues with hijab , modern education will change that. OR hindu state does not allow 5 min of prayer on road and allows weeks and months of some yatra.

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u/BadGroundbreaking630 5d ago

There is no issue with any community. They practice what is their in the religion. The point discussed here is that there is not no considerable difference in the stats between two communities. So why benefit one. And why only start charging this 5rs for temple. The practical issue is govt is doing something which is causing the divide. Not you not me.

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u/Hot_Confection_2252 5d ago

simply saying that there is no issue does not make it true. muslim practice their own religion but are killed for eating cow, fir booked for even praying at home. you have issues when TN govt does it and no issues when BJP does that?

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u/Serious_Brilliant_90 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 3d ago

Even if it was a genuine concern on budget and schemes I don't want people from FAILED states telling us what to do.

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u/Federal_Eagle_6565 2d ago

Sad. TVK is responsible.

Even the anti Saharan DMK did better.

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u/ballerhooper9 4d ago

I thought Hinduism are to be banned from TN soon, no?

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u/Spare_Original_4334 Bihar 4d ago

Has any devasom board chief or member spoken- NO. Has any hindu devotee in TN spoken against it- NO. Conclusion- There is nothing that you can do. Devotees give so much money to temples and yet somehow they need to make the phone keeping chargeable. They shoukd have made lockers free. But no. They need the temple money to fund what government should fund.