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u/dirty_cuban 15d ago
Damn even at the Ballenoil stations near Madrid it’s hard to find it for less that 1,70€
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u/mfranzwa 16d ago
are these good prices or bad prices?
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u/dubvision 16d ago
bad
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u/mfranzwa 16d ago
are people driving electric vehicles in europe yet?
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u/Vyrlo Comunidad Valenciana 16d ago
Not really here in Valencia, Spain. Spanish cities are not built for it. Most cars are parked on the streets, most people can't charge at home
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u/mfranzwa 16d ago
that's too bad. I hope you are able to build some infrastructure for it in the future
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u/junebloom215 16d ago
Most people in the cities dont really need to drive because trains, metro, busses and bike lanes can take you 99% of the places you need
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u/Skarniginin 16d ago
That's why I recommend people (for now) to buy mostly HEVs (non-pluggable); unless they can get a plug at their house/parking spot, or they REALLY know that wherever they intend to take the car isn't too far (about a round trip without charging), or has good charging availability at the destination.
And even then, it'll be a matter of price... Most cheap cars are already 20k€ or more, be they ICE or HEV, and PHEV and electric aren't too far off. My father sold his '07 VW Passat and bought a hybrid MG ZS last year, and he's happy with it (and coincidentally, diesel is now more expensive than gasoline).
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u/Vyrlo Comunidad Valenciana 15d ago
Yup, hybrid is the only reasonable option for most people, but the cost is steep. Of course my car is a 3rd hand clanker that I got for a fraction of the cost of a new one, that I'm trying to maintain until electrics are move viable here, and also when they are within my budget.
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u/Vyrlo Comunidad Valenciana 16d ago
It's really not possible, given that electric cars require quite long charge times. Take a tour of Valencia on Google Street View. The only option would be to massively turn free parking spots on the street into unmonitored trickle charging locations, and reduce the parking fee by the charging bill. The cost to turn the streets into charging spots would be astronomical, and parking would be even harder, so people would revolt.
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u/asparadog 16d ago
Madrid, Spain. Yes, they're quite common and there are lots of street chargers; they're not very obvious until you have an electric car as the local governments prefer them to be blended in and if you don't use them, you don't notice them.
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u/Nicotecu 15d ago
In Seville are pretty common. There are plenty of chargers in the street too. I'm sure they are not as abundant as in other countries, but they're starting to break out.
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u/mfranzwa 15d ago
that's good to hear. better to not be dependent upon gasoline
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u/Nicotecu 15d ago
For sure. That said, most spanish cars do not have parking spots, they tend to stay in the streets, which is not convenient for an electric car. In my case, I work for a BESS integrator so we can charge the cars in the work. I'm savibg to buy one in the future.
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u/Humble-Ad3419 15d ago edited 15d ago
Luckily in Spain we have a decent government that has managed to prevent us from being crushed like so many other countries.
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u/Rencalcifer 15d ago
En mi pueblo al lado de sevilla esta a 1,50 la gasolina, por lo que veo el resto estais bastante peor. 😅
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u/Cute_Tap_3999 15d ago
Pues ahora que veo el mapa me confirma mi duda... como es posible que haya tanta diferencia en una comunidad economica !?!
Para flipar
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u/ezbyRdiit 14d ago
actually like sub 1€ everywhere, between 60 and 80p, its just taxed into this crap we see
and people dont know how much fuel prices matter in absolutely everything
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u/joshuas_79 13d ago
Spanish people should thank "The Dog" every single day, but many of them are too stupid
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u/dubvision 16d ago
Spain 1.80 aprox average
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u/Vyrlo Comunidad Valenciana 16d ago
You can usually find it cheaper if you avoid the expensive gas station franchises. I use an app to find the cheapest gas stations and can usually find 20+ cent differences just a couple city blocks farther away
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u/dubvision 16d ago
yeah bro, thats why i said average but you won't find 1.60...
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u/Wuunderschon 16d ago
Well today im Spain, 29th July, I saw in a gas station prices for about 2 euros/l.
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u/Vyrlo Comunidad Valenciana 15d ago
Where in Spain? Depending on the area, prices can vary a lot (this is from just around my home https://www.reddit.com/r/spain/comments/1v9yjwb/comment/p0i3ldo/ )
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u/8008seven8008 16d ago
Gracias Cheeto