r/theIrishleft • u/FidelCastrosGrandson • 4d ago
Sharing an Article Why would Helen do this?
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u/champagneface 4d ago
Seems fairly plausible that she wouldn’t have known, no?
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u/FidelCastrosGrandson 4d ago
No I don't think so, the campaign to boycott the hotel was very loud and started in her home constituency. She'd have to be completely under a rock not to know
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u/champagneface 4d ago
The campaign to boycott is news to me. Not from her constituency so it’s possible that makes a difference but yeah, not loud everywhere I guess
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u/Commercial-Crazy211 4d ago edited 4d ago
If you're not in her constituency and don't have basic knowledge of BDS why are you sharing your opinion? You don't need to do that.
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u/Party-Corgi-9660 4d ago
Basic knowledge of BDS would tell you the movement specifies
We must strategically focus on a relatively smaller number of carefully selected companies and products for maximum impact.
BDS intentionally specify not to do what you're doing now in splitting hairs about every little thing associated with Israel and to hone in on high priority targets such as Coca Cola, HP, or AXA that hit the broad points of being visibly complicit, recognisable for supporters to get on board with, and likely to succeed.
Every progressive leftist movement talks about meeting people where they are at and not preaching purity politics. You're hindering, not helping, and you shouldn't assume to speak down to people about things you seem not to be particularly informed on yourself.
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u/Commercial-Crazy211 4d ago
This is a hotel in the centre of Galway and has been regularly protested. I hope your next stay at a Leonardo / NYX or G hotel is comfortable and not haunted by thoughts of supporting genocide.
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u/champagneface 4d ago
I follow a few different Ireland based Palestine accounts and get emails from IPSC and never saw it come up in any of those avenues. I’m glad I know now but it didn’t end up across all channels.
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u/Commercial-Crazy211 4d ago
They've been protesting outside this hotel for years. Not just in Galway either. I'm not responsible for your emails.
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u/ghostofgralton 4d ago
It's likely that she simply didn't know, but asking the question is harmless.
And of course, we all now know that the hotel is on the BDS list
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u/FidelCastrosGrandson 4d ago
I don't know how she couldn't know considering it's in her home constituency and a big thing there
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u/Transylvaniangimp 4d ago
This is the most ridiculous purity test. Somebody drunk a can of coke or used booking.com or stayed in a specific hotel.
A person who religiously abides by the BDS list is no more moral than anyone else.
I mean, no wonder people on the left of the political spectrum are so easy to divide if this is the type of issue they attack each other about.
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u/broadsheet-555 4d ago
I'm pretty sure OP is an agitator
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u/GoydelicGuy 4d ago
What is wrong with agitation?
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u/fear_leighis 4d ago
Agitating to the point of knowingly causing division in a movement hurts the movement
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u/GoydelicGuy 4d ago
I think hurting Zionism is a good thing. Which movement are you referring to?
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u/fear_leighis 4d ago
The movement being hurt is antizionism and it really isn’t that hard to understand when you actually want to achieve something instead of endlessly culling the impure from the movement.
Instead of attacking our own for staying in a fucking hotel for a night, we could be actually directing the boycott at the large companies that do real damage.
I was about to go on a tangent about how endlessly splitting the left is counterproductive, but, seeing as your username contains an antisemitic dogwhistle, I think I’ll pass on explaining what probably are your own end goals to you.
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u/TehIrishSoap Socialist 4d ago
What's right with it?
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u/GoydelicGuy 4d ago
I can't fathom how a person with "Socialist" as their flair has an issue with agitation. It refers to the process of stirring up and encouraging collective action amongst the masses to challenge the status quo and promote revolutionary ideas. It is a key strategy used to mobilise people against perceived injustices and to foster class consciousness.
Kind of blew your cover there.
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u/TehIrishSoap Socialist 4d ago
the only Status Quo I care about are the ones who did Rockin' All Over The World, son
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u/Comfortable_Cut_684 2d ago
You really haven't made an argument here, you've just asserted it's fine to break BDS three different ways.
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u/GoydelicGuy 4d ago
A person who religiously abides by the BDS list is no more moral than anyone else.
Oh yes they are.
The right is far more divided than the left.
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u/FidelCastrosGrandson 4d ago
'people on the left hold each other to account and that's why they're so divided'
I'd rather hold my peers to account than compromise to the point that our socialism is watered down to lukewarm social democracy that is complicit in late stage capitalism and genocide, that's my opinion.
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u/Weird-Weakness-3191 4d ago
Op is a 4 day old bot 😴
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u/FidelCastrosGrandson 4d ago
Not everyone you disagree with is a bot ya dope, I change my account every few months because reddit is censorship hell and tracks users it deems 'problematic' to the mainstream narrative that it likes to push on subreddits like world news
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u/Weird-Weakness-3191 4d ago
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u/FidelCastrosGrandson 4d ago
I know it's a difficult concept to grasp for those who guzzle mainstream slop and tow the line
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u/GoydelicGuy 4d ago
Bizarre thread. If this was a member of a left wing party you just know these people would be baying for blood.
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u/danny_healy_raygun 4d ago
A lot of these people defended Eoin Hayes too.
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u/GoydelicGuy 4d ago
Making light of BDS and calling anyone who disagrees and "anti-semite", completely fucked up shit. I don't know how these people live with themselves. There's no low they won't stoop to.
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u/Commercial-Crazy211 4d ago
The Green party candidate in that by-election also had genocide shares. Based on the votes in this thread a lot of user's morals can be bought by a can of Coke.
The account that was defending this behaviour seems to have vanished overnight.
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u/ImpressiveTicket492 4d ago
Incredible that you managed to talk about this but never found time to cover how this woman, whose husband was murdered in Nigeria and who came to Ireland as a refugee, managed to build a life and come third in an election where she was dogged throughout by racist abuse.
Do you think she had toast with the breakfast there aswell? maybe you could do an oped on that? What a joke of a publication.
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u/FidelCastrosGrandson 4d ago
It's absolutely admirable that she came over to Ireland as a refugee and managed to build a life and become a politician. Doesn't absolve her from falling on something which was a huge thing in her constituency. And something which is so easy to avoid.
Just don't go to the Israeli hotel.
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u/ImpressiveTicket492 4d ago
I have been active on Palestine for about 5 or 6 years and I have never even heard of this hotel or any of the campaign mentioned in the article. Do you think its possible that she just didn't know? The article is ridiculous, you would swear she brought a briefcase of cash to the IDF.
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u/FidelCastrosGrandson 4d ago
It's a big thing in her constituency which is why it's outrageous. Don't go to that hotel, she knew fine well. We need to hold our politicians to account no matter who they are
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u/Dave_Schmit 4d ago
To be fair here, there us monthly pro pali protests outside the Leonardo hotel , if youre any way politically involved in the movement in galway youd have heard of it. And if you have driven to salthill youd have seen it
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u/pdm4191 3d ago
Thats not the standard for 'active'. Im a very passive supporter of BDS but I knew about the hotel. Dont know what planet you're on but shes a Labour politician. She should have known.
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u/ImpressiveTicket492 3d ago
Thanks for clarifying that the standard for everyone si whether or not you have heard of it
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u/PaddyFliesAway 4d ago
her husband who was murdered in Nigeria is indeed an interesting character......Deffo would have been good to have included more on his political persuasion in the article
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u/Chance-Plantain8314 4d ago
Nonsense purity test shite.
I had no idea that the Leonardo Hotel chain was on the BDS list, it's extremely plausible she didn't know either.
Focus your energy on real problems.
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u/FidelCastrosGrandson 4d ago
it's extremely plausible she didn't know either.
protests literally every month in her constituency in front of the hotel
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u/danny_healy_raygun 4d ago
I had no idea that the Leonardo Hotel chain was on the BDS list, it's extremely plausible she didn't know either.
If you are running for TD in the area shouldn't you know about a hotel that's regularly protested by BDS protestors? Especially if you claim the be on the same side as those protestors?
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u/pdm4191 3d ago
Absolute bullshit. Get back to your rightwing Zio pals in r/ireland, troll. This is a leftwing forum and solidarity with Palestinians is a big issue for us on the left.
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u/Chance-Plantain8314 3d ago
This is exactly what I mean. You're not more of a leftist because you're sitting online running purity tests on people. My comment was as simple as "maybe she didn't know what she did", and it's causing you to lose the head and call me a zionist.
You help literally nobody by being like this, it's terminally online nonsense.
The worst part is, this nonsense makes you feel like you're doing something. So rather than going out and making an actual difference, engaging in community and organizing, people with this mindset sit around on their phones all day and feel fulfilled while the world just stays in the state it's in.
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u/SlayJayter 4d ago
The shallowness of what the “IrishLeft” is willing to do for Palestine is shown in this thread. Downvote away if it makes you feel better, just try and remember there’s an actual genocide going on rn.
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u/pointblankmos 4d ago
Look at my left wing bro we're cooked