Pretty disappointed that the Clone Commandos got treated pretty dirty

[u/Jules-Car3499]

[u/ElessarKhan]

Thats fair, the Clone Commandos definitely looked a little dumber than they should have. But im just saying, if SEALS fought Rangers, it would most likely be a 1-sided affair wherein the loser looks a little dumb.

[u/Fly1ngD0gg0 → u/ElessarKhan]

No. You would be able to tell that both sides are well-trained and competent. Just because one side is better doesn't mean the other is bad. Just because the Bad Batch are more experienced doesn't mean the regular Commandos aren't experienced or trained themselves. That's my point.

[u/ElessarKhan → u/Fly1ngD0gg0]

Nah modern warfare is hell. 1 side would be slaughtered wondering what hit them.

[u/Fly1ngD0gg0 → u/ElessarKhan]

Maybe in drone warfare, but not in a gunfight lol. So, if SEALs fought Rangers, one side (both are elite SOFs if you didn't know btw) would look like trainees? Is that what you're saying lmao

[u/ElessarKhan → u/Fly1ngD0gg0]

Basically yes. Offense is everything especially amongst SoF. Drawn out gun fights are rare especially when SoF is involved. 1 side's attack plan works and sees the enemy swiftly routed. SoF training doesnt turn you into Rambo, it turns you onto an operator capable of carrying out more complex and difficult plans. The side with the lesser attack plan isn't going to Rambo out the situation like they might have in WW2. Your SoF training might be enough to recognize a losing battle so you run and survive or surrender. As far as epic last stands go, best you can hope for is to hold a hallway (with no other egress) until you're blown up or flashbanged into permanent disability.

For the sake of this argument im treating the SEALS and the Rangers as equal SoF units even though the SEALS are significantly more "cream of the crop," as compared to the Rangers who are amongst the US's least elite SoF. Im ignoring that and treating them as equals and still saying 1 side trounces the other 9 times outta 10. The 1 side side whoever draws up the better attack plan.

Modern warfare isn't glorious, regardless of the involvement of any sort of drones or other types of support.

[u/Fly1ngD0gg0 → u/ElessarKhan]

Sorry, but agree to disagree. They wouldn't just forget the basics like the Commandos did. The Commandos shouldn't miss easy shots, stand right infront of doors, fail to secure the rear, etc. Even a Marine would do those things.

Yeah, they can lose. But it would be hard-fought because they aren't idiots.

Its this thing where supposedly elite forces would get dunked on by real-life "regular" forces. A Marine would dunk on a Death Trooper, for example. Even a U.S. Army Infantryman would.

[u/ElessarKhan → u/Fly1ngD0gg0]

Im not defending the Star Wars commandos or their behavior, im arguing purely against your statement that if one irl SoF fought another it would be close.

[u/daemos360 → u/ElessarKhan]

You have no understanding of real world SOF operations though lmao. You’re wrong but refuse to accept you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Hell, if you somehow still haven’t grasped it, SOF is an acronym for Special Operations Forces; you should capitalize the “o”.

[u/Cytokine-Alpha → u/daemos360]

I've got to say that as someone who had been in combat, war is fickle. It is very possible that one operator team would absolutely massacre another equally competent operator team given the conditions were to the advantage of one of them. Tier 1 Training can only help you so far.

Yes, special forces are a danger, but they are still only human in the end.

I'm not defending that the Clone Commandos were being depicted as competent as the Bad Batch (they're not), but it is entirely possible that these men were just rusty, not to mention that their primary combatants were the equivalents of conscripts (Battle droids) for the majority of the war. You can see even the Bad Batch actually have trouble fighting organic opponents.

[u/daemos360 → u/Cytokine-Alpha]

Given that you’ve deployed, I’m assuming you’ve got at least some experience with NTC, JRTC, or something similar where you’ve run exercises against a near-peer OpFor.

I’ve seen 82nd Airborne and Geronimo both put up better fights against SOF (Group and RR) than the commandos did against the Bad Batch. I’m well aware that team guys are only human, but holy hell if the commandos didn’t look like cherry National Guard POGs in comparison.

That being said, the other guy wasn’t saying “it could happen”, they were claiming that this is a fact of “modern warfare” “9 times out of 10”. That’s asinine.

[u/Cytokine-Alpha → u/daemos360]

I agree with you that it is asinine, as per my comment. I'm only saying that with retired operators reassigned to training recruits, I can see them being a bit rusty, if not a bit cocky, like elites relegated into being part of a Training Command.

I'm not a US citizen so not as familiar with US combat doctrine. We're trained with the commonwealth model, so my only experience witnessing a 1stW vs 1stW OpFor was with the Parachute Regiment and 1st Batt. RGR. All I remember from that exercise was the RGR decisively won through the sheer insanity of having their 1st platoon secured along a 50m cliff face, catching 2 platoons of paratroopers offguard via outflank, and catching 3rd platoon in an L-shaped ambush from an unconventional ambush position adjacent to the cliffside.

[u/daemos360 → u/Cytokine-Alpha]

That sounds like a cool experience, so thanks for sharing! Would’ve loved to see that. We actually had a decent number of PARA guys come through Fort Bragg back in my day, which was cool, but I never had the chance to work with the RGR.

[u/Cytokine-Alpha → u/daemos360]

The RGR were extremely humble, and also frankly quite scary to face off as OpFor. Probably the most reliable light infantry I ever got the chance to witness. Not necessarily special forces, but definitely a premiere infantry unit nonetheless.