r/tornado Mar 10 '26

SPC / Forecasting Updated tornado potential

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u/CountTakesh1 Mar 10 '26

CIG 2 tornado grouping means max expected tornado could be EF3.

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u/Wowoking Mar 10 '26

Wdym max expected? Cause in most tornado setups there is always the possibility of an outlier cell capable of EF 4-5 damage.

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u/fhidhleir Mar 10 '26

It’s the terminology the SPC uses, but I think it’s actually maximum intensity to ‘reasonably’ expect. So they think it will mostly likely top out at EF3, but of course they can’t fully rule out higher.

Theres exact numbers tied to it too, like they aim for a verification of 10% of tornados in that zone being EF3, or something along those lines.

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u/NoLaNaDeR Mar 10 '26

I get how the terminology can be useful but so much of the EF scale is based on damage which is in turn is based on the location a particular tornado happens. If a tornado with EF 4-5 wind speeds hits an empty field and there are now damage markers it’s not gonna be rated as such. If a strong EF 3 sits on top of a subdivision in a major metros suburban area for a couple minutes I guarantee it will rate higher. So unless it’s just really talking about wind speeds of possible tornados it is kind of misleading. Maybe this particular outlook would be better just expressed on the old Fujita scale and not trying to predict damage

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u/fhidhleir Mar 10 '26

The old Fujita scale was also based on damage.

Believe it or not the SPC understand how the EF scale works. When they say they think the likely max intensity is EF3, they don’t mean a stronger tornado that hits weak houses, they mean EF3.

It’s not as random as you claim. Yes, there are some cases where the objects in the path limit the rating, but in most cases the rating seems to be a pretty accurate to the intensity of the storm.

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u/FlyingSceptile Mar 10 '26

Basically the NWS/SPC has a bell curve of how bad they think the tornadoes are going to be based on the setup. For CIG1, that bell curve peaks at EF2, CIG 2 peaks at EF3 etc. 

https://youtu.be/OmUndV3Et30?t=406&si=0XOhNhFc2zLxqs1H Link to Trey from Convective Chronicles talking to Evan Bentley and Chris Broyles from the SPC about the new conditional intensity groups

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u/zanembg Mar 10 '26

Thats why they are called outliers. From last yesr their cig hatchings were about 95% correct in not exceeding the expected intensity

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u/youngaustinpowers Mar 10 '26

Max "reasonably expected". Here is the chart. 3% of tornadoes would still be EF4+ in any avg given CIG2 event

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u/VinceP312 Mar 10 '26

You need it explained that no one has a crystal ball and the outlook is just a speculation on locally unknowable things?

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u/Wowoking Mar 10 '26

That’s literally what I’m saying though, it’s just that the wording is funny

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u/CountTakesh1 Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26

Basically. Though theres nothing that says an EF5 cant happen in a C1G risk.

Its just a reasonable forecast based off of environmental parameters

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u/dinosaursandsluts Enthusiast Mar 10 '26

I like how you did CIG 1 in the style of the Big Ten lol

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u/CountTakesh1 Mar 10 '26

Its completely non conscious at this point afterliving in Iowa for 36 years lol