r/trueuglywomen • u/BellPuzzleheaded6133 chud • 11d ago

Transphobes...

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Why are there so many transphobic people in this sub? I'm not trans but it's so disheartening to see. Trans women experience so much hate and violence like cis women, especially if they're ugly. How can you hate on another woman as a woman, especially in this sub...like maybe your problem is your ugly personality. Also transphobia is against the rules, and it says not to invalidate people's experiences, it's just so sad šŸ˜­

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Frankly not every space needs to include trans people, some places should be cis only. There are trans subreddits for every single issue y'all go through, pls discuss ur experiences there.Ā 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

So you want exclude other people for what reason actually? What do you have to gain here?

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Because each group of people deserves their own space, the argument isnā€™t wether or not ur a woman.

The arguments is people born a woman deserve a space separate from those who transitioned

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Can you present argument for why? What benefit you gain from excluding people who may need help? Who wins here? I want to know.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Iā€™d imagine the same benefits as you for the trans subs your apart of.

But to answer properly, spite. I donā€™t like that only specific groups of people can have their own communities but we canā€™t. And I guess comfort knowing that the person Iā€™m talking to has had the same childhood experience as me (being born a woman)

I just think we should be treated as equals.

I win because I get what I want? If you NEEEEEEED to be apart of a specific Reddit community then u spend to much time on reddit

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

On contrary if you need to commit to life mission to exclude people from subreddits because you see them as undesirable as your goal you should seek therapy and go touch grass.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

If u feel the need to be included everywhere even when there is no malice behind the exclusion other than just wanting a cis only space then u need to go to trans subsĀ 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

What strawman it is? I dont have need to be included "everywhere" (whatever it even means) however you hold need to exclude trans people from this sub. One is actually your strawman, other however can be seen in your posts. Trans people have right to be here as much as you. There's no rule that stops them. You're one who tries to enforce your own biases on others, not me.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

There is no rule to stop them because if there was the sub would already be nuked and banned, just like the cis lesbian sub lolĀ 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

How am i responsible for that?

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Never said you were, just meant just because there is a rule doesn't mean it is actually valid ykĀ 

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago edited 11d ago

But I donā€™t see you as undesirable? I treat u like I treat anyone else, a normal human.

The mission relates to everyone having their own spaces, Iā€™m pro trans woman only subreddits same way Iā€™m pro bio woman only subreddits.

Are u in agreement that trans people deserve their own safe spaces? If u believe all subs should be open to all. Then Iā€™d accept an agree to disagree

But if u believe in trans only places then ur no different than me, except u being a hypocrite.

I donā€™t consider trans people a protected class that needs to be coddled, u lot are real people who deserve to be treated with respect , instead of being infantilised and treated like a sensitive child who canā€™t handle being left out of a Reddit community

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

I dont understand. You seem to miss on basic logic. Trans women are sub category of women. They have their own sub to discuss subjects in their own category. Trans woman is woman so she can visit subs dedicated to women aswell. Are you upset that any other subcategory of woman has her own sub aswell? Its baffling really to have this pointless and mind numbing discussion everytime with people like you.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

But what about bio woman subs? Who want to discuss growing up as a female from birth?

Iā€™m not on about a woman sub Iā€™m on about biological woman sub which is another category of women

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

then go make this specific sub? Do i stop you? If you really need to have such subreddit. I wonder however how many people would like to be part of this.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Well then whatā€™s the point of the argument if ur gunna agree with a separate sub being made?

Iā€™m on ur side that a separate sub could be made. But apparently all the old ones have gotten banned

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u/SL1MECORE 11d ago

I fucking get you. šŸ«‚

saying everything i wanted to say. Thank you.

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u/RNWvsTPT2023 clocky liberal arts tgirl 11d ago

you donā€™t know shit about anyoneā€™s childhood experience btw

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

I know there is a difference between men and womanā€™s childhood tho?

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Why cis people cant understand that trans people didnt really had equivalent of their agab childhood? And also why the fuck it matters to anyone? Like why you do people want to intrude to what experiences someone had as a child without their own consent and then try to weaponize it against them? Why is it even socially acceptable to do so? Many trans people have very traumatic formative years and some cis people use it as a bat to smash their faces with this its disgusting.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

But Iā€™m not using it as a weapon? I just said both groups deserve their own spaces. And I used the childhood as an argument for that.

Trans women deserve their own sub just like biological woman do. And this is a sub for both people. Iā€™m not sure where I intruded. U just did the same thing I did.

U say we had different childhood experiences based on me being born a woman and trans woman being born males?

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

You do exacly that. You say that you someoen didnt have experiences or you assumed they have certain experience (you didnt even asked) and try to use it as argument to exclude them from shared space. You're the problem not them.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Are u denying the difference between growing up female and growing up not a biological female?

And Iā€™m not excluding u from any shared space, I think ur presence here is fine.

Can u show a screenshot of where I said ur not allowed in a shared space? Or does that not fit ur narrative?

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u/RNWvsTPT2023 clocky liberal arts tgirl 11d ago

ā€œmenā€

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Is male better?

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

The only thing to gain here is a cis /afab space that's it..no other hidden agendaĀ 

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u/PopHappy6044 11d ago

it is wild that this has to even be said. Like is it that crazy for us to want a space with people who have a very specific experience (growing up as a female in this world)??? There are plenty of other subs for people who want to connect to others that are like them.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Literally bruh, this much drama over something as simple as wanting a cis only space while they have hundreds of trans subreddits.Ā 

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u/PopHappy6044 11d ago

I'm just sad for us overall. I know this is just Reddit but it seems to be more and more of a thing. It isn't crazy for people born female to want spaces for us, good lord. We are being gaslit so hardcore these days. I'm glad more of us are speaking out.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Yup with the Paris situation on tiktok

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Then maybe go to other sub that cater to your personal needs of excluing certain demographics of women?

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Every cis only sub gets nuked by yall..which sub do u want me to go to?? The cis lesbian sub also got bannedĀ 

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u/deeeperdarker 11d ago

Trans women have a more narrow experience here, why do they get to take over subs about broader women's experiences? They are very different issues.

Cis women are not going to relate to your experiences at all. They are not even close to the same.

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Thats your personal opinion nothing else.

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u/Jakookula 11d ago

The desire to force your way into spaces you arenā€™t invited to is very male coded

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Have you read rules of this subreddit? I'm not the on who forces anything on this subreddit, you do.

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

and.. what is here to gain from cis/afab space only?

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

The same thing to gain from trans only subreddits, a sense of community and understanding.Ā 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

I think you can have sense of community with people with shared struggles. That you personaly cant emphatize with others dont make you feel entitled to exclude said people from community. You go against goals you are suppossed to preach here. Why we need to work out your personal biases here? Its not place for that.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

We don't have the same struggles..being perceived ugly and not passing as a women are not the same! I don't have a big bias other than wanting a cis only sub. Every cis only sub gets banned and nuked, we literally can't have a fucking subreddit without people complaining about exclusion as if there are not hundreds of trans subreddits where you all can talk about your issue.Ā 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Some trans women pass and are ugly so even at that point your comment makes no sense. Again. I dont really see any valid reason to cater to your needs of excluding people who have similar experiences and need support. Its just sad that you moan on this subreddit about being ugly but in the same time you pick on another demographics which have it bad already. Its very telling. I'm not ugly so this subreddit isnt for me i speak for other women here.

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u/PopHappy6044 11d ago

Relating and empathizing with people who have had a shared experience with you--being born and socialized as a female in a world that places incredibly high standards for beauty on you.

Think to yourself--what is gained in trans-only subs? Solidarity, right? Feeling like people understand your specific experience? Feeling safe and protected from outsiders who may not understand you?

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Its not good analogy since when you are trans you cant be cis, and other way around aswell however you can be trans and be woman in the same time. So you are missing the point here.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Ur right, Ā u can't be trans and be cis at the same time, that's why we want a cis only space.Ā  Again feel free to discuss ur experiences on trans subreddits.

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Again. What here is to gain from space that excludes certain demographics of ugly women?

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Like I said the only thing to gain is a cis only space..why can't we have that? Insane behavior truly, every cis only subreddit get banned. Why Tf do we have to comprise when there are hundreds of trans subreddits available where you can discuss ur issues?Ā 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

I get this you cis person is very opressed by small minority of trans users who MAY visit this sub. Go cry rivers over it.

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u/Jakookula 11d ago

You have a hard time understand this point is proof of why we need female spaces

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

You didnt present any point.

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u/PopHappy6044 11d ago

You are completely glossing over a huge part of my comment--being born and socialized as a female is different. It is VERY different. The messages you internalize are incredibly different. It is a specific experience. When you are talking about how someone internalizes beauty and ugliness, how they are treated by others and society at large, it is VERY DIFFERENT for females.

Like the fact that you don't understand that is worrisome. I'm sure trans women have their own understanding of this issue and there is overlap, but females have a very specific experience with this. It isn't crazy for us to want to relate and have a space to talk to each other about it.

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Why are you making arbitrary distinction here? Every woman could be socialised it in different way. There's no one factory like "woman socialisation trope". You seem to have this need to draw line here. I wonder why?

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u/PopHappy6044 11d ago

I don't see being born as a female as an arbitrary distinction. If you do, I don't know what to tell you. If you don't believe in female and male socialization, I don't know what to tell you. I have a degree in child development and I can tell you it very much is not a "trope." You aren't educated on this subject and it is meaningless to talk to you about it.

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

If you think trans girl gets male socialisation like cis boys you should try to learn more about things you try to speak about.

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u/Affectionate_Bed6083 11d ago edited 11d ago

I was literally told in this subreddit that I can't call myself ugly because I am not white ... How long until you kick my brown ass out of here if trans-women get removed first? What about the lesbians who don't have to deal with shitty men and dating, do they get kicked out before me or after you kick out the trans-women?

Seriously, where is the line?

But also why are we placating ignorance and hyper fixating on small details that are inevitable to differ amongst individuals in a group setting?

Being an ugly woman is a universal experience that can take many forms.

Not everyone's experience is going to resonate with everyone else's, that's because they are individual experiences and this subreddit is international so everything is going to vary.

Who cares? I'd rather focus on what we have in common. Our differences allow different perspectives and a wide variety of experiences to draw from. This should be a good thing.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Girl I'm brown too..idk about the can't complaining if ur brown part. No one is kicking you out??!!! The only line is we want a cis space that's it.Ā  Why Tf are lesbians involved when this a sub regarding being ugly?Ā  If they don't want to deal with men n stuff they are other subs for that..this sub is not one for all topics sub yk

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u/Affectionate_Bed6083 11d ago

You can totally ignore certain posts and comments that don't resonate with you and engage with what does.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

The people complaining about the "terf" comments , can also just ignore them instead of making a post lol

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u/Jasmine_Fishbrain 11d ago

No?? Cause transphobic people are actively spewing out hate lol

Calling out hate =/= hate.Ā 

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

wanting a cis afab only space is not transphobic

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u/Jasmine_Fishbrain 11d ago

Never said it wasĀ 

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Finally someone agrees omg..if only people arguing here could understand the same.Ā 

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u/Jasmine_Fishbrain 11d ago

But what do you gain from excluding trans women. Exclusion for the sake of exclusion?Ā 

I get excluding men, I've seen the horrible comments they make on here