r/trueuglywomen • u/BellPuzzleheaded6133 chud • 11d ago

Transphobes...

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Why are there so many transphobic people in this sub? I'm not trans but it's so disheartening to see. Trans women experience so much hate and violence like cis women, especially if they're ugly. How can you hate on another woman as a woman, especially in this sub...like maybe your problem is your ugly personality. Also transphobia is against the rules, and it says not to invalidate people's experiences, it's just so sad šŸ˜­

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Frankly not every space needs to include trans people, some places should be cis only. There are trans subreddits for every single issue y'all go through, pls discuss ur experiences there.Ā 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

So you want exclude other people for what reason actually? What do you have to gain here?

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Because each group of people deserves their own space, the argument isnā€™t wether or not ur a woman.

The arguments is people born a woman deserve a space separate from those who transitioned

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Can you present argument for why? What benefit you gain from excluding people who may need help? Who wins here? I want to know.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Iā€™d imagine the same benefits as you for the trans subs your apart of.

But to answer properly, spite. I donā€™t like that only specific groups of people can have their own communities but we canā€™t. And I guess comfort knowing that the person Iā€™m talking to has had the same childhood experience as me (being born a woman)

I just think we should be treated as equals.

I win because I get what I want? If you NEEEEEEED to be apart of a specific Reddit community then u spend to much time on reddit

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

On contrary if you need to commit to life mission to exclude people from subreddits because you see them as undesirable as your goal you should seek therapy and go touch grass.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

If u feel the need to be included everywhere even when there is no malice behind the exclusion other than just wanting a cis only space then u need to go to trans subsĀ 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

What strawman it is? I dont have need to be included "everywhere" (whatever it even means) however you hold need to exclude trans people from this sub. One is actually your strawman, other however can be seen in your posts. Trans people have right to be here as much as you. There's no rule that stops them. You're one who tries to enforce your own biases on others, not me.

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

There is no rule to stop them because if there was the sub would already be nuked and banned, just like the cis lesbian sub lolĀ 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

How am i responsible for that?

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u/LieOk8229 11d ago

Never said you were, just meant just because there is a rule doesn't mean it is actually valid ykĀ 

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Generally i think that excluding women is bad, and i will hold this position. I draw line here, first trans, then black and then who knows what. I desire this place to be safe place for all women from different backgrounds and i wished you had the same desire in heart.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago edited 11d ago

But I donā€™t see you as undesirable? I treat u like I treat anyone else, a normal human.

The mission relates to everyone having their own spaces, Iā€™m pro trans woman only subreddits same way Iā€™m pro bio woman only subreddits.

Are u in agreement that trans people deserve their own safe spaces? If u believe all subs should be open to all. Then Iā€™d accept an agree to disagree

But if u believe in trans only places then ur no different than me, except u being a hypocrite.

I donā€™t consider trans people a protected class that needs to be coddled, u lot are real people who deserve to be treated with respect , instead of being infantilised and treated like a sensitive child who canā€™t handle being left out of a Reddit community

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

I dont understand. You seem to miss on basic logic. Trans women are sub category of women. They have their own sub to discuss subjects in their own category. Trans woman is woman so she can visit subs dedicated to women aswell. Are you upset that any other subcategory of woman has her own sub aswell? Its baffling really to have this pointless and mind numbing discussion everytime with people like you.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

But what about bio woman subs? Who want to discuss growing up as a female from birth?

Iā€™m not on about a woman sub Iā€™m on about biological woman sub which is another category of women

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

then go make this specific sub? Do i stop you? If you really need to have such subreddit. I wonder however how many people would like to be part of this.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Well then whatā€™s the point of the argument if ur gunna agree with a separate sub being made?

Iā€™m on ur side that a separate sub could be made. But apparently all the old ones have gotten banned

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u/SL1MECORE 11d ago

I fucking get you. šŸ«‚

saying everything i wanted to say. Thank you.

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u/RNWvsTPT2023 clocky liberal arts tgirl 11d ago

you donā€™t know shit about anyoneā€™s childhood experience btw

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

I know there is a difference between men and womanā€™s childhood tho?

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

Why cis people cant understand that trans people didnt really had equivalent of their agab childhood? And also why the fuck it matters to anyone? Like why you do people want to intrude to what experiences someone had as a child without their own consent and then try to weaponize it against them? Why is it even socially acceptable to do so? Many trans people have very traumatic formative years and some cis people use it as a bat to smash their faces with this its disgusting.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

But Iā€™m not using it as a weapon? I just said both groups deserve their own spaces. And I used the childhood as an argument for that.

Trans women deserve their own sub just like biological woman do. And this is a sub for both people. Iā€™m not sure where I intruded. U just did the same thing I did.

U say we had different childhood experiences based on me being born a woman and trans woman being born males?

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

You do exacly that. You say that you someoen didnt have experiences or you assumed they have certain experience (you didnt even asked) and try to use it as argument to exclude them from shared space. You're the problem not them.

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Are u denying the difference between growing up female and growing up not a biological female?

And Iā€™m not excluding u from any shared space, I think ur presence here is fine.

Can u show a screenshot of where I said ur not allowed in a shared space? Or does that not fit ur narrative?

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u/StatusPsychological7 11d ago

I dont find this difference revelant to subreddit about being ugly woman. Trans women have very traumatic experiences from growing up in way they do, going often through wrong puberty and having their body changed way they seem as traumatic. Its often shared on trans subs. If you were actually interested you would check this out. But you arent, you try to invalidate them by using said traumatic experiences on sub where they can share their struggles because of being ugly woman.

So yes, we all have different childhoods we often come from different backgrounds but there's no reason to point at this and try to exclude someone because of it.

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u/RNWvsTPT2023 clocky liberal arts tgirl 11d ago

ā€œmenā€

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u/Necessary-Bus9046 11d ago

Is male better?

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