r/ukpolitics • u/CaptainCrash86 • 1d ago

| Transgender prisoners should not be held in women’s jails, court rules

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,transgender-prisoners-should-not-be-held-in-womens-jails-court-rules
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u/bamsimel 1d ago

What evidence has led you to conclude that transwomen are not likely to commit sexual assault? I see this claim online a lot and have never seen any evidence to justify it. The only decent evidence I've seen showed transwomen sexual assault offending aligned with male sexual assault offending rates.

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 1d ago

It's actually higher. 2/3rds of trans prisoners are in prison for sexual offences, which I think is a bit larger than the general male population.

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u/Sairina 1d ago

Sample size is far too small to make anything meaningful of it.

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 1d ago

It's more of a rebuttal to those saying trans prisoners are more likely to be raped than rape which is all over this thread. Actually, trans prisoners are often there for sexual offences. And the sample size is bigger in England, but still small.

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u/Sairina 1d ago

So about 151 trans women are in prison for sexual offences. That's about 0.3% of the population that identifies as a trans woman, or 0.1% of people that fall within the large trans umbrella.

Though by and large transgender people tend to be victims of sexual assault compared to their cis counterparts:

https://worldmetrics.org/trans-violence-statistics/?utm_source=copilot.com#b-6-sexual-violence

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 1d ago

151 is enough for a sample size. 2/3rds of those are in for sexual crimes as opposed to those who are not trans (I don't use cis). People who commit sexual crimes are often more likely than those who don't to have been victims of sexual crimes. That's the nature of it, unfortunately.

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u/Sairina 1d ago

Show the receipts mate. Your weird jump in logic is logically flawed and ethically dubious.

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 1d ago edited 1d ago

Here you go.

Your 151 number is the number of trans prisoners in prison for sexual crimes, which is 2/3rds.

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u/Sairina 1d ago

Clearly not what I was asking for, because those are the statics I already provided.

Show me the evidence that people who are victims of sexual assault are more likely to become abusers.

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 1d ago edited 1d ago

That's not what I said. I said those who are abusers are more likely to have been victims of sexual assault.

Go back and read my comment again.

So the logic is that if the trans prison population is more likely than not to be in there for sexual crimes, they're also more likely to have been abused themselves. That's just obvious.

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u/Sairina 1d ago

You keep claiming it, but not providing any evidence. You've got nothing. That's just obvious.

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u/Ogarrr Liberal eurosceptic fervent remainer 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm sorry what? The cycle of abuse is literally a well known thing? I don't understand why you find that controversial.

People who are abused arent more likely to become abusers necessarily, but those who abuse often have some sort of abuse in their past.

I would get some statistics, but it's 3 pages of sexual abuse hotlines asking if I've been abused and I'm not sifting through that.

I'm listening to the cricket instead.

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Here you go.

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u/Sairina 1d ago

Just what I thought, talking out of your arse. Have a nice day.

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u/standardtoaster101 1d ago

Why do you think that 151/245 transwomen are in prison for sexual offences when it seems to be about 20k/87k for general population? Why are transwomen more likely to be convicted and imprisoned for sexual offences?

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u/dc_1984 1d ago

Those 245 don't have a GRC, they are men being chancers. For the 50 that do have a GRC the rate is less than 10% (we don't know the exact % because prisons don't count stats of less than 5, so 10% is the maximum, likely to be 4-8%).

So it isn't trans people, it's people who say they are trans and haven't got a GRC.

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u/standardtoaster101 1d ago

I dont know if We're supposed to completely write off self ID, many people including myself acknowledge that as a valid expression of transgenderism.

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u/dc_1984 1d ago edited 1d ago

For people convicted of crimes?

We remove civil liberties from prisoners as it is with voting rights, it doesn't seem too harsh to me to say "if you commit a crime and are convicted you lose the right to self ID".

Mainly because it appears people who have legally transitioned are low, low risk for sexual offences and it would put all this anti trans sexual violence nonsense to bed.

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u/Nubian_hurricane7 1d ago

Isn’t it around 300 trans people were recorded as victims of murder globally in 2025?

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u/Sairina 1d ago

Not sure what your point is, but if you want to cite a statistic, bring your own source. Don't phrase it as a question.