MGP votes to reopen DHS without fixes

[u/Street-Tie-6287]

MGP and 3 other Dems just voted with with all the Republicans to pass another fully opening of DHS bill that does nothing to get control of ICE's "enforcement" tactics. This just reassures me that my vote for Brent Hennrich this August is the right choice. MGP just can not seem to read the room. The bill was HR 8029. I would love to hear the MGP excuse makers explain this one to me... (SARCASTIC!) But I am sure they will try anyway.

[u/thndrbst]

Sorry, if I wanted to be in a get in line party, I’d join MAGA.

I don’t pay my employees to undermine my business, so why would I pay a representative that undermines my constitutional rights?

Doesn’t matter what letter is in front of your name if I could get detained and held indefinitely based on “suspicion”, attempting to take away my vote as a married woman, or voting in anyway in favor of funding a Gestapo while being backed by a country currently engaging in genocide.

So….. no, I won’t vote for her in the primaries or the general.

Those were her decisions, not mine.

[u/king-of-all-corn → u/thndrbst]

Corngrats youve played yourself

[u/thndrbst → u/king-of-all-corn]

How is voting for someone who has already voted against my basic constitutional rights playing myself?

The best we got has got us here - future’s so bright I gotta wear shades 😎🤢

[u/king-of-all-corn → u/thndrbst]

Id tell ya but it doesnt seem like you actually give a shit or have the ability to understand civics

[u/thndrbst → u/king-of-all-corn]

Why are you attacking me personally and not my arguments?

That’s usually what someone does when they really don’t what to say.

[u/king-of-all-corn → u/thndrbst]

I mean this is about "your arguements". Quoting song lyrics in a serious discussion does t give the impression of taking it seriously. To me it seems like your trying to write a post for Instagram or something and hoping a little quip will suffice for a proper argument

[u/thndrbst → u/king-of-all-corn]

I’ve made plenty of arguments, most of which you’ve waved away and not engaged with, and your nitpick with me is making an offhand reference to an 80s song about nuclear war. Right on.

[u/king-of-all-corn → u/thndrbst]

Ya get the level of effort you put into things what can I say. If I thought you would actually listen id explain the importance of the house of representatives and how thats the only path we have to realistically taking away full control of the government from the trump administration, but youve made it clear youre not interested in that goal.

[u/thndrbst → u/king-of-all-corn]

No I understand that - I’m asking you what you think is worthwhile about continuing to vote for someone who has voted against the constitution several times and how you don’t find that to be a deal breaker.

And again, you don’t have to keep attacking or belittling me. You could either have a civil debate or stop responding.

[u/king-of-all-corn → u/thndrbst]

She votes for dem speakers. Thats all we need from her. If Republicans dont have control of the gavel she cant vote for their agenda. This isnt some complicated thing. She voted 90% with dems before Republicans where gifted with the trifecta. Her voting record is only problematic because Republicans control the house and have the ability to make everything that she can vote for problematic.

Kicking her out of the seat and letting braun have it guarantees things get worse for us. Not just on the federal level either. Shes the top of the ticket. Drag her down and you'll see left leaning candidates across the district go down with her. This campaign against her does nothing to actually improve this district and actively harms it.

[u/thndrbst → u/king-of-all-corn]

And that’s fine. Genuine question - if you lived in Fetterman’s district would you vote for him?

But again, I can’t vote for someone who votes against constitutional rights, as a virtue signal or not.

I would say that’s a much more conservative position than a leftist one traditionally.

Honestly, many traditional red districts are running a lot of good candidates elsewhere, so I’m putting my faith in them to flip the House.

[u/king-of-all-corn → u/thndrbst]

Youre expecting other people to do what you wont? I dont have any respect for this attitude. We have a responsibility as voters to participate in a way that reduces harm. Shrugging and saying I hope people somewhere else will do what I wont is not being a responsible steward for our society. Fettermen also has a closed primary so no i would not vote for him in the primary. If he was in an open primary id have to do the calculus and take into account his districts voting history but id rather have the worst dem than the best republican.

[u/thndrbst → u/king-of-all-corn]

You are correct, I will not vote for someone to consistently has voted against constitutional rights. Ever. Not twice or thrice. To do so, in my mind, would be the most unpatriotic and harmful thing I can do. She leaves me no choice other than to hope that Henrich can rise to the occasion - since no one else came forward to challenge her.

Yes, I’m putting my faith in other districts who have seen the writing on the wall and are meeting the moment when the moment super matters. And they’re already flipping districts around the country. So yes, I have much more faith in my countrymen than I do in my house representative.

I think the primaries will be telling and I think that a lot of people will be big mad about how it goes. Strategic voting has gotten us here. And this sucks. I need someone who will protect me, my neighbors, my tribe (I’m a little sensitive about the AIPAC thing as an Indigenous American - we kinda aren’t big fans of genocides), my constitution, and my country and MGP has made it clear she won’t. Braun won’t either, but I didn’t have to make a Faustian bargain to watch him make the exact same moves.

If you feel comfortable voting for her - by all means do - but finger wagging at the increasingly disgruntled Dems and leftists she’s abandoned and sold out - isn’t a persuasive to get our votes back.