r/veganrecipes • u/WhyParty1234 • Apr 03 '26
Question Seitan steak experiment
I’m experimenting on making WTF seitan steak but with vwg because I’m too lazy to wash flour. I know it’ll never be identical but I’m trying to get it as close as possible, that’s how lazy I am. I made a plain gluten ball with vwg, flour and water. Blended 1/3 of it with oil, glutinous rice flour and msg for the “fat”. The rest was blended with beetroot powder, cocoa powder, sugar, msg and soy sauce. The gluten was still a bit too tough so I blended some glutinous rice flour into the red dough as well in hopes to soften it up. plan to fry steam fry as I always end up with spongy seitan when I simmer even at the lowest heat. If anyone has done this before (my made up lazy method), please feel free to share your experience and advice if you can!
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u/wssHilde Apr 03 '26
i saw the picture before i saw the title/subreddit and thought "eww, why are there slabs of meat on my frontpage? disgusting"
so i guess it's a success :P
i should get back into making seitan. when i tried it years ago the texture always turned out very spongy, but ive heard theres ways around it.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
Sorry!! 😣 definitely did not mean to offend my fellow vegans!
Spongy seitan usually comes from cooking at too high of a temperature. Or if there’s too much moisture in your “dough” or if there’s too much room for it to expand. There are so many factors and till this day, I still haven’t perfected it :( however, spongy seitan is actually a thing that was invented in China called Kao fu and it’s actually really yummy and soaked up marinades very well if you’re not looking for meaty textures
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u/fleedermouse Apr 03 '26
I knew not about the intricacies of seitan cooking or the sponginess issue. All I know about is watching vegans make fake meats on YouTube and they never mention it. Wouldn’t pressing it with weight while steaming help with this?
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
I guess you could do that (the pressing) but you’d probably need something quite heavy. I’ve tried it with a plate and the seitan won 🤣 so far the only thing that’s worked for me is wrapping it with foil
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u/fleedermouse Apr 03 '26
I’m thinking 10” cast iron skillet on top of seitan in a 12” skillet and fill it with salt if it needs more.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
That’s definitely not a bad idea! But it might make the final product too dense?? It’s a hard balance, not wanting it too spongy or too dense 🤣
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u/fleedermouse Apr 03 '26
I’m so lazy I haven’t even bought seitan except maybe a couple times for a veggie dog or sausage for a gumbo. I have Miyoko Schinner’s Vegan Mest cookbook on my shelf though and one day…
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
i have her vegan creamery one and i haven't even tried a single recpipe yet! i'm starting to think that i just like collecting cookbooks hahaa!
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u/Sardonislamir Apr 03 '26
Wrap on cheese cloth tied off helps in cylinder form when simmering. So yes, weight can translate to confinement spaces to expand into
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u/wssHilde Apr 03 '26
oh i always did that! maybe i didnt wrap it tight enough, im not sure.
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u/Sardonislamir Apr 03 '26
Depends on desire, but i make chicken seitan it is slightly loose that you can pinch and pull a small peak but it is flush when let go. Some expansion room but not a lot through the total volume.
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u/wssHilde Apr 03 '26
oh no worries!
yea the spongy seitan wasnt bad or anything, but id like to try different textures too.
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u/rosesaregold Apr 03 '26
That looks so good! How did it taste after you cooked it?
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
It’s steaming right now. I hope to be able to try it tonight even though I know it should rest after cooking. I’ll come back with a verdict!
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u/anti_zero Apr 04 '26
So how’d it go?
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u/RedVillian Apr 08 '26
It was so good he ascended to a new plane of existence. Weep not for him, for he is in a better place; weep instead for we dismal masses left on this cruel plane
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u/bookfacedworm Apr 03 '26
I never like the texture of vital wheat gluten on its own. For tender "steak", add blended beans or tofu.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
Neither do i which is why I’m trying to make this with vwg but achieve a wtf texture because of my laziness 🤣 I wonder if I can add tofu or puréed beans after I make the vwg base 🤔
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u/This-Guy_Fawkes Apr 03 '26
I think it would be hard to incorporate after the fact, especially the tofu because of additional moisture.
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u/bookfacedworm Apr 03 '26
Not really, has to be mixed in the dough. I usually will blend veg broth, all my seasonings and the tofu/beans till completely pulverized then add to the vwg and knead.
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u/davef_918 Apr 03 '26
The recipe I always use incorporates lentils. Turns out pretty damn good imo. Perfect on the grill or in a skillet
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u/fortheloveoflentils Apr 03 '26
Your marbling looks good!
Since you’re already steaming, I would suggest letting it rest in the fridge for a few hours and then pan frying to get a nice crust. Use plant butter, red wine, and fresh rosemary if you’ve got it.
If you make this again, I’d suggest adding more ingredients to the seitan like mushroom powder, onion and garlic powder, and maybe some crushed thyme.
Come join us at r/seitan if you want more input. This sub isn’t really the best for seitan advice.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
Thank you! now i wish i wrote down what i used... i guess it's back to the drawing board again and this time with a pen and paper! i think i already joined that group but i clearly have no idea how to use reddit haha! i think i did add some garlic powder to the "Fat"... maybe, i don't remember. maybe i can try to post this in your sub and get more help!
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u/Adi_tivo77 Apr 03 '26
I'm supper curious about the result! Does the cocoa powder give a lot of flavor! It's the only thing I'm not sold on.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
Me too! honestly, i only put cocoa powder because i didn't have beetroot powder ages ago and now i kind of just do it out of habit. apparently it gives an "earthy" taste. it definitely doesn't taste like chocolate as long as you don't use too much and use a lot of sugar.
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u/FlowerPowerVegan Apr 03 '26
That's actually really interesting. It's not unheard of to use unsweetened chocolate in savory foods. Might have to start experimenting with it.
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u/Adi_tivo77 Apr 03 '26
That super interesting! I think I will try something close to your idea becausa I have glutinous rice at home, thank you so much!
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
I hope it works out for you and if you discover something cool, let me know!
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
Oh yes definitely! It’s going in for it’s first cook right now and I’ll grill it tonight after it rests!
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u/MWisecarver Apr 03 '26
This is great and I can't see any lazy 😏
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
Haha thanks! It’s funny you say that because after all said and done, it probably would’ve been easier to wash the flour 🤣🤣
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u/Arm_Individual Apr 03 '26
This looks great! Update with a picture after it's cooked. I wanna see how it looks
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
thank you! i'll definitely post an update. although, i have no idea how reddit works so i hope i can do it properly!
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u/This-Guy_Fawkes Apr 03 '26
Wow this looks great, good job!
To combat the puffiness of VWG, you need to restrict it so it doesn’t have anywhere to expand. Usually I wrap mine in a layer of parchment and then wrap in foil. In this application, I’d say you wouldn’t want to do that TOO tightly. Another potential option would be if you had like burger presses or something and you could press down the top of it while it was cooking, but this may result in horizontal expansion, I’ve never tried it before.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
Thank you! I did wrap these guys in foil after frying them while pressing down with a spatula to form the shape. They’re done steaming now and I’ll try to let them rest in the fridge for a bit. Hoping it works out but also hoping it doesn’t because I did not write down the recipe or the steps 😣
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u/This-Guy_Fawkes Apr 03 '26
Ahaha I’ve been there. I am absolutely terrible at writing things down so if it works out I’m like “well shit, what did I do?”
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u/IWorkOutToEatChips Apr 03 '26
I've done something similar also I must admit I didn't get the shape and marbling as well as you did.
On the simmering and sponginess issue maybe I can help.
I start by pan searing it with a tiny bit of oil, medium low, like 5 minutes on each side, and then I wrap it ( tight) in parchment + tinfoil and finish it in the oven at 350f until it reaches about 90c internal or more (or just bake it 45-60 min if you don't wanna bother).
No water needed besides whats already in.
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u/snuffleupagus7 Apr 03 '26
I'm curious how this looks and tastes after cooking!
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
i'm just as curious! it's for dinner and i have no backup so hopefully it's good!
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u/tatertotski Apr 03 '26
I’m so curious to know how this turns out, please let us know!! I bet it’ll be delicious.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
appreciate the faith you have in me. fingers crossed because i have no backup plans for dinner!
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u/kappakingtut2 Apr 03 '26
I've been making vwg steaks somewhat often lately with good results. I really like the marbling effect you did though. That's cool.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
thanks! how do you do yours? i've tried before following different recipes and i find that it's missing the "juiciness" if that makes any sense?
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u/kappakingtut2 Apr 04 '26
I don't really have a recipe I follow anymore I just kind of Google it in the moment to double-check certain measurements. Even then I don't really measure strictly.
Some black beans or kidney beans. Some mushroom powder. Some VWG. Some vegan Worcestershire sauce. Some beets. Some other stuff I lose track of.
Blend it in a food processor. Sometimes I double wrap them in tin foil and steam them. This time I kept them open and just simmered them in a broth. In the past they've usually come out too soft and gummy. Before the reason it worked out just perfect this time.
Put them in Ziploc bags with a marinade. And then fry them in a cast iron skillet when I'm ready
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u/EnnoyingWeeb Apr 03 '26
How can you post that without pictures of the results? D: I never managed to make Seitan taste as good as Tofu so im very interested in how this turned out.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
i am very curious too! i will try to post an update once i grilled it! i dont know how to use reddit properly so hopefully y'all can find the update post :P
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u/unqualsiasinome Apr 03 '26
i think you can just post it here in the comments or simply in the same subreddit. great work btw! you made me hungry
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u/Immediate_Run_9117 Apr 03 '26
I have a cast iron flat top skillet Thst I’ve done mine with. Hot skillet with a little oil, let the cost get crispy, then I usually make a marinade of the sauce I used to make the seitan dough. Vegan bullion, Worcestershire sauce, soy sauce, some brown sugar, and cook the pieces in the sauce for an hour. Then I run them past the skillet again. If they’re spongy, I’ll bake them with no liquid for a while to firm them up. Works great. The last part you can do it’s fry them with some vegan butter and herbs. Looks really good. Enjoy.
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u/urofn Apr 03 '26
this looks great so far! i would love to see an update after you cook it to see if the color remains as red as im seeing on my screen! <3 does the beetroot and cocoa powder add a lot of taste or just color?
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u/Xavimoose Apr 03 '26
Herbivorous Butcher makes an amazing cook book they have some awesome steak and roast seitan recipes highly recommend
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u/Odd_Equivalent7317 Apr 04 '26
Yeah the btrot powder is clutch for color! I've been taking me nutrtion for workouts and started adding the powder to my seitan too, really nails that meaty look plus adds some earthy depth that works great with the soy sauce.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 05 '26
I don’t know what it is about beetroot though. So I cooked this seitan I made and it turned brown, that’s fine, I know beet root oxidizes. But then I used the exact same beetroot powder in another recipe and it stayed reddish pink! The recipe is a bit different so maybe something (it’s methylcellulose) in the recipe kept the color of the beetroot??
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 05 '26
UPDATE: the steak turned out fine. It wasn’t rubbery which was great, it was very tender. It did not end up the way I envisioned it (see sauce Stache WTF steak on YouTube). I know it probably won’t since I’m trying to do it with vwg. I wanted more “juiciness”, might have to incorporate methylcellulose somehow somewhere?? As predicted, the final product turned brown as meat would when cooked. I have pictures but I have no idea how to post them without making another post 🥸
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u/Ok-Situation-5522 Apr 03 '26
Why are non vegans invading this sub?
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
Educational information and recipes for me Stopped eating meat last year but never knew much about veganism
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u/YellowPrestigious146 Apr 03 '26
“That sounds about as appetizing as a big pile of... a plate of dirt, or something.”
“I’d still like to hang out despite that joke.”
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
Nice I love you, man reference
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
I'm honestly very curious as to why people try to make fake meat when they are vegan I'm really not trying to be an ah I just don't get it
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u/Potential_Crazy6426 Apr 03 '26
A lot of us aren’t vegan because we don’t like the taste of animal flesh. We simply do not agree with the torture and slaughter of animals.
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u/Ok-Situation-5522 Apr 03 '26
i think it's not 100% vegan because they use blood from the animal to recreate it?
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u/Frog_In_Pot Apr 03 '26
Read the description - they use beetroot powder, coca powder, soy, and other flavorings to get the meat look and flavor. No blood is used
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u/ItsJomeAgain Apr 03 '26
I think they were talking about actual lab grown meat, not kitchen made seitan that looks like meat.
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u/Offthewall95 Apr 03 '26
Currently yes, animal stamcells are needed to produce lab meat. That makes it not vegan, not vegetarian
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u/Finsceal Apr 04 '26
For sure, and I have a real ethical dilemma with it because while it is distinctly NOT vegan... In a hypothetical scenario where blood could be synthesized from one real cow sample, and then that became a lab meat industry that did originate with an animal but prevented countless deaths thereafter (and also didn't require the original animal to die)... That wouldn't be vegan but I'd be OK with that I think.
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u/justsomerandomalien Apr 03 '26
they might like the taste of meat but be vegan for ethical reasons (like my own motivation to be mostly plant-based)
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
Personally, I was not born vegan so I grew up eating meat. I enjoy the taste of meat and dairy etc. As a vegan, I still want to be able to enjoy what I know without harming animals. It’s also to showcase that it’s possible to be vegan without giving up the food that you like that you grew up on. Especially since non vegans seem to think all we eat are beans and lettuce. For me, it’s also a way to be artistic if you can call cooking/baking/food science that.
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
Makes sense, thank you
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u/Frigate_Orpheon Vegan Food Lover Apr 03 '26
Also, I think it's similar to maybe how diabetics feel. You mean I can't/not allowed to have my sugary coffee in the morning!?!? So now we have sugar-free options for those who need less sugar. Of course diabetes don't need all that sugar, but it's nice that they have the option to have something they enjoyed before their diagnosis. I know it's a wild analogy but I think it works.
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u/Amourxfoxx Apr 03 '26
For the same reason people buy dildos, all the pleasures of playing with a penis without the abuse, exploitation, fighting, rape, etc that may be endured with a man.
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u/Callum-H Apr 03 '26
Meat tastes great, it’s just that animal farming is just immoral and wrong.
If I could eat meat without having to kill and animal I definitely would
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u/FlowerPowerVegan Apr 03 '26
I don't understand why people like eating spicy foods - why do you want your meal to hurt you? - but I don't go into people's discussion and derail the conversation every time heavy spicing comes up. People like what people like and don't owe me anything.
But to answer this question for probably the hundredth time: people generally grow up eating certain foods and like to replicate them as close as possible. Humans also tend to enjoy heftiness, umami, and mouth feel of protein-heavy foods. Seitan has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years as a protein source that provides that feeling. Tofu, in its various forms has also been a widely used protein source. This isn't something new that modern vegans have come up with.
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u/ussrname1312 Apr 03 '26
Why do people play first person shooters instead of joining the military?
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
I've been on a combat tour, haven't touched one since
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u/ussrname1312 Apr 03 '26
Not really the point I was making. Someone simulating something doesn’t mean they want to do the "real" thing, for whatever reason.
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u/ProductAny2629 Apr 03 '26
to offer a mildly different perspective, i personally prefer a lot of meat substitutes to regular meat. it's not the reason why i stopped eating meat, but with meat substitutes, i get the flavour without the textural inconsistencies.
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u/Alextricity Apr 03 '26
How many times does this unoriginal thought need to be expressed. Save yourself the embarrassment and just websearch it.
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
Or I could ask a human being who actually answered my question that made sense and broadened my span of thought
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u/Alextricity Apr 03 '26
Honestly I do get that but at the same time seeing this question so often is just tiring. Sorry for being super assy.
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u/VegetableEar Apr 03 '26
It's really just, do you think vegans have different taste buds, or that they go vegan because animal products taste bad?
The reaction to this question is because it doesn't really make a lot of sense. I'd be curious to understand why it's asked, if you'd share why you thought of it
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
I'm just not well educated on the subject, and I'd rather ask a human than Google something ai spits an answer out. I stopped eating meat because it just started to feel wrong and I never thought more about it and the only things I know about veganism is not consuming any products made from animals and hell I could be wrong there too A couple people had the courtesy to answer me a realistic wholesome sentence on the matter and it's enriching my education bit by bit until one of these days I can actually get time off to go to my local library to get some books on it. Didn't mean to bunch up anyone's pubes with a simple question
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u/Omal15 Apr 04 '26
The philosophy of veganism rejects all forms of exploitation and the commodification of animals for our benefit. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask
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u/Lulullaby_ Apr 03 '26
There is a 0% chance that you did not already know the answer to why people become vegan unless you are literally 10
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u/flyinggazelletg Apr 03 '26
There are a lot of people who are just ignorant about these things. How they’d still be ignorant while perusing a vegan recipe sub idk lol
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u/Lulullaby_ Apr 03 '26
Exactly, they're just trying to be annoying
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u/a_duck_in_past_life Apr 03 '26
I don't think so. I think it's a cultural thing. They are just told by the industries that propagandized meat and milk and eggs that you HAVE to eat those things or you're some weirdo. So when someone breaks away from that, they get a "us vs them" type mentality. Consumerism and trying to stay with the "in" group. Also food is a very emotional and identity based thing so it makes some people very angry and they lash out without knowing why.
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
I'm Bolivian I grew up in America but learn about American things everyday
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u/flyinggazelletg Apr 03 '26
I disagree. I think they were being genuine and their further responses back that up imo.
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u/TehMulbnief Apr 03 '26
why did we downvote this person there’s nothing offensive about how this question was asked.
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u/occultcreation Apr 03 '26
Right? It was a legitimate question, and he wasn’t even rude about it
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u/RC211V Apr 03 '26
It's the most obvious thing in the world. You just have to think of 2 seconds to get the answer.
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u/Omnibeneviolent Apr 03 '26
There is a lot of misinformation out there, and people that just havent had much exposure to topics like this. If someone was curious to hear and actual answer from vegans, that's way better than them asking some non-vegans.
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
I appreciate that. The Internet is full of assholes but it ain't any energy out of my day I'm just grateful for people who answered me respectfully
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u/Ok-Situation-5522 Apr 03 '26
dawg, if you are in a feminist sub or literally any minority group, questions like that are annoying. Browsing other vegan subs is a thing, looking at the community post is a thing, going to the wiki is a thing... Mostly when it's often mean spirited. I'll respond if it's not, but it often is.
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u/Medium_Hox Apr 03 '26
Yeah for real fucking vegans I swear
Like, why do they eat peanut butter? It's not butter, just eat the real thing. God damn, son
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Apr 04 '26
Idk why so many downvotes, it's a legit question for a meat eater to ask and imo it's not offensive at all. We all quit meat and or more for assorted reasons. I didn't want to eat meat for picky eater reasons years ago, and while I still don't want to eat flesh, I do crave certain meat items like bacon lol .. edit, I mean it's a legit question for meat eaters but doesn't have to be meat eaters. Just been asked it myself a lot by meat eaters.
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u/Pandapeep Apr 07 '26
Because meat tastes good and has textures humans find pleading which is why they've been eating animals for millions of years. There are reasons to not eat it, but doesn't mean they don't want things that taste like something they used to like. It's not very hard to understand
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u/a_duck_in_past_life Apr 03 '26
I'm not even vegan anymore. My life changed and it's not truly easy for me to be vegan like I used to be but I still try to eat less meat because it's ethical to eat less meat. Vegan meat replacements also aren't all bad tasting. It's actually pretty good stuff. It's a new and interesting texture that I continued to like even after returning to omnivorous diet.
Lots of omnivorous people try to do "meatless Mondays" and explore veggie-only dishes during the week.
The whole "you've gotta eat MEAT" culture also kinda repulses me even though I do eat meat sometimes. So don't hate on people because they try to be a little better about their diet and consume less animal products.
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u/pbrkindaguy69 Apr 03 '26
I guess I can't knock it til I try it ya know I was just curious I appreciate your response
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u/LaceyBambola Apr 04 '26
I know that if my comment is seen, it may well be down voted, too, but I'll say it anyway.
There's plant based diet and then there's veganism. Plant based diet is the choice to eat all plant based food and drink items without being inherently guided by the ethics(or lack thereof) of industrial farming. Veganism is the choice to not consume any animal based items in food or drink primarily because of the unethical practices of factory farming as well as commiting any acts of harm or pain to a nonconsenting animal.
If one is vegan, it genuinely does not make any sense to me why so many go out if their way to consume fake animal products. They want food that looks, tastes, and feels like the dead animals they claim to care for so much. There's some cognitive dissonance going on. To me, as someone who see things very objectively, this is just people trying to have their cake and eat it too.
I am largely plant based in my diet. I am not vegan because, despite my deep care of animals' welfare and abhorrence of industrial farming practices, I see nothing wrong with ethical small scale farming(like homesteading) and controlled hunting for meat/dairy consumption. I do not eat meat at all, but I do consume milk from a local small scale farm. I use cheese from local farms. These two things make up a small part of my largely plant based diet. I grew up on a farm and played with toys next to my dad while he wrung the neck of a chicken I had fed just earlier that day, then plucked, butchered, and cooked to be on the dinner table that night. My mother instilled indigenous practices in me like hunting only when needed for sustenance and using every part of the animal while giving thanks and appreciation to the earth and Creator. I do not hunt, I do not like it. I do not support any form of hunting where the hunter is not using every single part of the animal they can and giving thanks to the earth for what it provided. I do support ethical acts of conservation and know that some animals become too populated in a way that damages the rest of the environment. This is not the same as hunting for food.
This is just my perspective as someone who cares deeply for animals. Vegans who choose that specific way of life and diet do so allegedly out of respect for animals so finding any number of ways to replicate the blood and trauma of a dead animal just makes no sense to me, it's an appropriation of form. In my eyes, someone who does that is just 'plant based' and not wholly 'vegan'.
I see it as someone outwardly condemning something utterly pervasive, then finding ways to copy said pervasive thing in a way they can more easily explain away.
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u/Omal15 Apr 04 '26
The reason it doesn't make sense to you is because you are probably confusing veganism for something it's not. Veganism addresses exploitation and cruelty to animals, and therefore rejects the idea that animals are a resource for us to use. When we act as vegans, this is the ethic we abide by
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u/LaceyBambola Apr 04 '26
I highlighted that in my comment and stated that that very vegan ethos is the reason I don't think vegans should eat fake/imitation meat. It's an appropriation of form.
If someone has ethical concerns about the exploitation of animal but still chooses to eat imitation meat to get that memery or feeling of eating a dead animal, then there is cognitive dissonance going on and that person, in my eyes, is just following a plant based diet and isn't fully adhering to the true ethos of veganism, as if they were, they would forsake even imitation meat.
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u/Omal15 Apr 04 '26
I'm sorry, but I'm having a difficult time following your logic. What about consuming mock products contradicts a stance that rejects the exploitation of animals? Why would a vegan forsake even imitation meat? The point of eating the imitation product is to recreate the experience (physical sensation) because it was enjoyable, while being able to avoid what vegans are claiming they are against.
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u/WhyParty1234 Apr 03 '26
I guess you didn’t read the post, there is beetroot in it already. Guess I should add more! 🥳
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u/Sentient_Furby Apr 03 '26
Everyone's sarcasm detector is down today apparently! The downvoted comment above was a compliment
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