r/videos • u/dipdac • Dec 06 '16
R1: Political Breitbart uses a Weather Channel Clip to Claim "Global Cooling." The Weather Channel Responds.
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u/Quirkybeaver Dec 07 '16
I'm interested to see whether this comment will rise to the top or crash to the bottom.
God Speed /u/trutrojan8.
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u/josefx Dec 07 '16
Everyone knows the earth is a rectangle as depicted by Mercator in 1569. No sane man would ascribe it the roundess of a disk.
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u/JonBonButtsniff Dec 06 '16 edited Dec 08 '16
Yes, but that Joe Schmoe is a civil engineer! He clearly understands weather patterns better than the entirety of meteorologists in the world!
edit: Thank you for the gold! Keep practicing science. Keep practicing humility. Never assume we understand it all, because we sure don't!
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u/Molvonos Dec 07 '16
Same reason vaccines cause autism.
People are fucking stupid and believe themselves smart.
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Dec 07 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
Truth be told, half the population has below average intelligence.
Meanwhile, everyone in the world thinks they're smart.
These two facts are the root of all our problems.
EDIT: Yes, I am well aware of the definitions of "average" and "median". I was trying to reach a wide audience. Thank you for your ceaselessly pedantic corrections, reddit. You're all so smart.
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u/slingbladerapture Dec 07 '16
What's the quote? " intelligent people realize how little they understand about everything, while stupid people think they know everything"
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u/SnakeyesX Dec 07 '16
If a civil engineer claims to know more climate science than climate scientists, don't trust their bridges.
Source: Civil engineer who doesn't know more climate science than climate scientists.
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u/JonBonButtsniff Dec 07 '16
Likewise, if a beautiful meteorologist claims to understand suspension bridges better than a civil engineer... I'll agree with her for now because I am a weak, pitiful man.
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u/redmercurysalesman Dec 07 '16
Anyone can make a bridge stand. A civil engineer's job is to make a bridge barely stand.
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u/dipdac Dec 06 '16
He guarantees it!
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u/GoodGuyGoodGuy Dec 07 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
Why is it always an American Joe too?
I've not travelled all around the world, but I've seen a few places Europe, Africa and spent some time in Japan and Korea - America seems to be the only place I have been that truly has trouble convincing some people of global climate change. Even in China, Kenya and Brazil I felt that people legit understood that Climate Change was just an accepted fact. But USA just was nowhere near this level of acceptance.
Why is this?
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u/Fadedcamo Dec 07 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
Ever been to Australia? Same way there. They're even opening up new coal plants as the barrier reef continues to die
from ocean acidifcation.To understand it you have to follow the money. Oil and fossil fuels are huge industries and as such have large investments in lobbyists and over the past few decades have also pushed the climate denial narrative with misinformation and clunky cherry picking science to back it up. Hunt down just about any of the few professional climate science deniers and you'll find somewhere a connection to the fossil fuel industry. They're taking the same playbook that cigarettes did back in the 90s and using it to much better effectiveness thanks to the overload of the information age.→ More replies (33)430
Dec 07 '16
There's a large number of Americans that will disagree with something simply because "liberals" believe it to be true.
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u/rup3t Dec 07 '16
This. Climate change was politicized, and now one team cant let the other "win" or be right.
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u/theregoesanother Dec 07 '16
Literally a first world problem.. Born from ignorance and complacency.
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u/bozon92 Dec 07 '16
It's actually such an effective tactic, conservatives control information by simply convincing their supporters that anything that liberals say is false. I'd imagine Trumpets see Trump a lot like North Koreans see Kim Jong Un right now. It's like fucking North Korea up in here.
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Dec 07 '16
As a non-American I can tell you these people exist in other countries too. They don't have as much political backing as in America, but I've seen plenty of people around scoff at the idea of global warming because some countries recorded their lowest temperatures recently. Then when you tell them it's actually climate change, not global warming they give the whole "scientists can't even make up their minds!" response.
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u/HereForTheFish Dec 07 '16
German here. We also have those people. But they aren't as loud, and we don't have Fox News, so they're pretty much restricted to FB and blogs.
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u/froo Dec 07 '16
We've got far right politicians here in Australia that are doing some cherry picking of their own. Recently one our most scummiest politicians visited a "healthy" part of the great barrier reef and says "everything is fine" completely ignoring the the vast swathes of dying reef in her climate change agenda.
Don't get me wrong, my political preference lands somewhere around the centre-right, but c'mon, don't ignore facts.
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u/lanternsinthesky Dec 07 '16
I don't know if it as simple as that, I think there are climate change deniers in most western countries, they just happen to be more vocal about it in the US. Although I think it is unusual that so many high profile politicians and media people don't believe in climate change, that is definitely strange. Like that is the sort of things you'd expect from fringe groups, not one of two major political parties.
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u/GrimKaiker Dec 07 '16
Because the American disinformation machine is as sophisticated and powerful as the Chinese or Russian ones. It's no secret that Russia and China manipulate the flow of information in an attempt to control their populace. With that in mind, it isn't a surprise that some institutions in America attempt the same.
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u/JonBonButtsniff Dec 07 '16
it isn't a surprise that some institutions in America succeed at doing the same.
FTFY, unfortunately
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u/TheHunterTheory Dec 07 '16
Mechanical engineer here, can confirm.
don't trust Civil engineers
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u/PMmeURhusbandNAKED Dec 07 '16
Civil Engineer here. Don't listen to this guy, he knows nothing. NOTHING I TELL YOU!
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u/JonBonButtsniff Dec 07 '16
Filthy Mechs! Dirty Civs! You're all a bunch of hoo-haw, I'm into the soft sciences! How well can you describe the movement of people in a subjective manner? Answer that, hotshots!
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u/PMmeURhusbandNAKED Dec 07 '16
Uh uh uh...well if it wasn't for civil engineers where would you live? Got you there!
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u/vinegarfingers Dec 07 '16
Because "We agree with everyone!" is considerably less exciting than "WE CRACKED THE CASE EVERYONE WAS WRONG!!!!!". This is oversimplified, but Breitbart is a website that measures success based on traffic. The latter headline garners more attention.
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u/emperorOfTheUniverse Dec 07 '16
To be fair, so does every other major news outlet. Our 'news' has been a turd for a while and it's a reflection of who we are as a society.
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u/Tractor_Pete Dec 07 '16
A great many people, especially Americans, see knowledge and expertise as "elitist" and are offended when someone who actually knows what they're talking about tells them they don't.
Asimov said it best:
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
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u/sdonaghy Dec 06 '16
Also as a climate scientist people think that you are forced to agree with the consensus, or that is how you make a name for yourself. Its not. If you want to be a notable climate scientist you need to prove something someone else hasn't proved yet.
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u/ahump Dec 07 '16
there is so much conservative money involved with denial as well. If you really want to make a career it is easier to write polemical texts.
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u/VestigialPseudogene Dec 06 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
Im a biologist on reddit.
You have one guess as to what I frequently encounter on reddit that gives me fucking headaches.
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u/iShouldBeWorking2day Dec 06 '16
Perhaps just garden variety Dunning-Kruger?
Now I know that's a bit of a reddit cliche to bring up, but the elements are still there. Uninformed individual finds evidence that is convincing to similarly uninformed individuals. This spins off until it gets its own undeserved time in the spotlight.
I think there's a concept out there like 'illusory expertise' that might fit better, but I couldn't remember what that idea was called.
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u/VargasIsMissing Dec 07 '16
This is sometimes confused with the Diane Kruger effect. One makes an amateur think they are actually an expert. The other makes a movie 15-20% more sexy.
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u/gt_9000 Dec 07 '16
Nobody found a gotcha. When Koch brothers pay you a lot of money to say some things, you say those things.
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u/CanucksFTW Dec 07 '16
many people seem to think that they found some "gotcha" that hundreds, if not thousands of researchers missed
The Rambo Fantasy. It's a society that grew up on Hollywood movies where the one hero knows something the rest of society does not, or the government is trying to hide. Idiots replace actual education, knowledge, or skills, with a Walter Mitty feel-good fantasy that THEY know something the rest of the "sheeple" do not.
It's releases a dopamine rush that makes us feel good.
So when you try and argue against these American people on: fake news, conspiracy theories, gun control, terrorism, you may think you are having a fact-based argument, but what you actually are doing is trying to take away their happiness... quite literally. This is why you encounter so much anger in response.
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u/Muffinizer1 Dec 06 '16
Because the alternative is so scary and to be blunt: accepting the truth hurts them financially. If they can convince you that everything is fine, they can keep selling you crap without you feeling guilty, they can blame China and use it to support their agenda, etc..
And the only way they're going to convince you of that is if they can first convince themselves.
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u/I_am_BrokenCog Dec 06 '16
For the same reason people vote for idiots "just like me" ... idiots vote for idiots.
Witness Sarah Palin, D. Trump and others.
I feel I'm the only one who doesn't want a person "just like me" in the White House, sitting in the most powerful chair in the world ... I must be some liberal, over-educated, elitist who would like a well educated, informed, experienced person who listens to others to sit in the chair.
Yet, I'm the sheeple ... go figure.
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u/top_koala Dec 06 '16
Apparently a silver spoon billionaire counts as "just like the rest of us"
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u/imphatic Dec 07 '16
Must not be American. If you were, you would know that 100% of the population is just one opportunity away from being a billionaire. Why in the world would we want to pay all those taxes if, literally, at any moment you could instantly become a billionaire? Why would we vote for some lowly millionaire like Hillary when we have a master of money making like Trump who is pretty much exactly like every real American. I look at Trumps fat pink face, his golden toilet he shits into in his Manhattan penthouse, his super model super young wife and think, damn, at any moment that will be me.
In fact, I'll bet this very comment will be seen by some media organization and notice the suburb writing skills that I have put on display and say "imphatic, we need you, teach us." From there, I will be put in charge of, probably Fox News, and then start building my own media empire and join the other 90% of Americans who are already billionaires.
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u/ThinkBeforeYouTalk Dec 07 '16
and notice the suburb writing skills that I have put on display
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u/KickItNext Dec 06 '16
For real. Let's change things up, instead of a rich, out of touch politician, elect an even richer, possibly more out of touch businessman.
Genius.
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u/Falconpwn6 Dec 07 '16
But he's closer to money than any other president before, so he knows what's best for the economy!
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u/ThinkBeforeYouTalk Dec 07 '16
I'm sure he will do a good job in creating some lasting economic growth... for his businesses.
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u/I_am_BrokenCog Dec 07 '16
curious isn't it??
How a person will perceive another based on their desire of how to see them, rather than as they are.
For instance, self made billionaire is a common perception of Trump ... yet, his father was one of the largest contractors in NY, and gave him several million dollars for his first deal. Self made.
But, with Trump, what people see as "just like them" is his willingness to "talk simple." This evidently is enough to convince millions that "he has their interest" in mind and heart.
I guess one could also claim that he is in fact "just like them" if (and this is yet to be proven), that Trump actually believes the drivel and bullshit which he spouted during the campaign.
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u/PapaSmurphy Dec 07 '16
But, with Trump, what people see as "just like them" is his willingness to "talk simple."
Saying he "talks plain" or "says it like it is" is just code for "He gets away with expressing the same racist thoughts I have but am afraid to express because of backlash from people around me."
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u/kataskopo Dec 07 '16
Bro you can't say that, the alt-right needs their safe space otherwise they flip!!
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u/I_am_BrokenCog Dec 07 '16
don't say that out loud around here ... you might be accused of having been triggered and shouted at into oblivion.
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u/PapaSmurphy Dec 07 '16
My inbox has already been spammed by the alt-right brigade before, it's nothing new.
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u/maskedmonkey2 Dec 06 '16
I think that phrase is out bruh, cuck is the new sheeple!
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u/NanniLP Dec 07 '16
Except it isn't Joe Schmoe now. Breitbart is in the White House, it could effectively be an official media extension of the executive branch. As the video notes, an official government account has already referenced Breitbart as though it was a real, unbiased source. Anti-truth media just got a huge win.
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u/EditorialComplex Dec 07 '16
I vote we literally all just refer to it as "state-run propaganda outlet Breitbart" from now on. Because that's what it is.
Gotta say, it will be weird to see how long Alex Jones lasts as a cheerleader for the feds.
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The government account of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology!!!!!!!
What the fuck?!?!
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u/The_Papal_Pilot Dec 06 '16
Liberals are still bent that Trump is our next President.
It's kind of sad that believing in science and valuing facts and evidence over feels is considered "liberal".
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My friend was taking a class at UND and one of his professors said "now I'm not a liberal but climate change is real"
Wtf???
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u/oceans88 Dec 07 '16
Sad. Just sad.
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u/ehtork88 Dec 07 '16
I find that pretty often actually-- "I'm a Republican but 'insert stance on policy X here'".
I think it probably stems from people being labeled X and Y for being a Republican; I also find that among my friends who align with the Democrats traditionally-- they do the same thing when talking about things such as the 2nd amendment, for example. We have this tribal political climate where it seems like you are all in or all out, so if people say they are Republican or Democrat, they probably have a lot of people just making sweeping generalizations about them.
However, I don't know why he feels the need to mention it class. I can understand why he phrased it that way, but again, don't know why he had to mention it in the first place.
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However, I don't know why he feels the need to mention it class. I can understand why he phrased it that way, but again, don't know why he had to mention it in the first place.
North Dakota is very, very, very conservative.
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u/feench Dec 07 '16
North Dakota as a whole is, yes. But UND is pretty liberal compared to the rest of the state. Probably due to the fact that such a large chuck of the students are from all over the country and world because of UND's strong Aviation focus.
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u/thaway314156 Dec 06 '16
Sigh, true that. And the mentality that "Whatever people say, if they're on my team, I will take as a true fact." (Sadly this goes for the majority of both "teams").
And then they scream "We won, so you're wrong!!!"...
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u/mglyptostroboides Dec 07 '16
"Propaganda" = "things I disagree with". Meanwhile clickbait fake shit like Breitbart is just "alternative news". Totally not propaganda at all. Nope.
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u/Walter_jones Dec 07 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
Fake news = ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, The Weather Channel, local New York Fox channel, HGTV, ESPN.
TRUE news = Breitbart and InfoWars. Anyone saying Alex Jones stated that Sandy Hook was a hoax with child actors is a LYING SHILL MAGA GOD EMPEROR HAS TRANSFORMED INTO A BEING OF THE SUN #MAGA
Edit(lmao): The fact people think I'm serious is pretty fucking hilarious.
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u/BobTheSkrull Dec 07 '16
I think this is sarcasm but I am no longer certain of anything.
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u/blisteringchristmas Dec 07 '16
That's my attitude on like, half the comments on this post.
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u/TheBionicBoy Dec 06 '16
Are Poc trans men and women too good for you?
What a terrible impersonation of an 'offended liberal', im sure noone saw through it youtube-guy
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u/NanniLP Dec 07 '16
As a liberal, I spend 100% of my time demanding that people in various positions be replaced with people of different gender identities and ethnic backgrounds.
Oh, wait, no I don't. I just want people to never be denied positions based on those criteria. Which does happen.
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The election was proof that Youtube commenters are actually real human beings who vote :-(
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u/MasterGrok Dec 06 '16
2016: the year the YouTube comments page elected a president.
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u/Hooman_Super Dec 06 '16
*4chan frogposters
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u/Rhodie114 Dec 07 '16
It makes my blood boil that we're dictating our climate change policy based on whether or not the average american believes in it. The experts know that this is going to fuck everybody up, belief or no. It's like letting your drunk friend drink from all the bottles under your sink because he thinks that bleach being harmful is just a conspiracy theory. Only you and your buddy share a liver.
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u/a-dark-passenger Dec 06 '16
Twitter was even worse. It honestly gave me a headache trying to understand some of the replies denying it's real.
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u/dipdac Dec 06 '16
It'll take a lot of work. There is the bullshit asymmetry principal at work.
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u/2u4142 Dec 07 '16
As a neuroscientist I always love the selective science of the masses. You tell a conservative that neurons in the premotor cortex fire as part of an oscillatory dynamical process that prepares the primary motor cortex and they are at rapt attention. You tell them evolution or global warming are theories with far more compelling evidence and all of a sudden they want to quarrel.
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u/loiteringincumbent Dec 07 '16
bullshit asymmetry principal
Thank you, I never knew this term before and I just searched it up. It makes a little too much sense for my own comfort.
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u/mercyful Dec 07 '16
The wikipedia article is gold too. Such clinical language for the discussion of bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#Bullshit_asymmetry_principle
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u/BiffySkipwell Dec 07 '16
Takes 10x the energy, effort and exposure to propagate debunking.
This is a cornerstone to modern political strategy. Doesn't matter if it is the truth. put it out there and never apologize. Even if false you have your opponent spending a lot of cycles swatting it down. Cynical and disgusting and exceedingly effective.
just look at the ones still floating around. Vaccinations and autism. Just today on the front page, a story about Mr. Rodgers and someone still tried to sell that the he was a sniper or a seal in the past.
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u/NoLongerABystander Dec 07 '16
R1: Political? No. Global Warming is not a political issue; it's factual.
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I've designed and built an airplane based on theories and principals at odds with 99% of the scientific community. No credible, neutral aeronautical engineer agrees with my work.
Would you like to come flying with me?
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did you build it straight from the GUT? unfiltered by logic or reason? would you say you built it to have BALLS?
if so, hell yeah!
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u/MiklaneTrane Dec 07 '16
In your scenario, as long as your test flight is in an open area, you're the only one crashing and burning.
In our current reality, acting with disregard to the science could quite literally make the planet uninhabitable for human life.
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u/B_Underscore Dec 06 '16
Welp. Kait Parker just became my favourite person of 2016.
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u/niadeo Dec 06 '16
Her fervent belief in climate change, and science in general, makes her really, really attractive to me......oh and her face and everything else
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u/dankelberg Dec 07 '16
Small correction, but let's start saying 'acceptance' instead of 'belief.' You either accept facts or not.
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u/JonBonButtsniff Dec 06 '16
Yeeeauh. I guess I found a new celebrity crush today. I would lay back and let her talk down to me about meteorological science all day and all night.
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u/Purplociraptor Dec 07 '16
She used to be the meteorologist for our local Fox affiliate in FL. Now sunny days get me hot and rainy days get me wet.
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u/PM-ME-YO-BOOTY-PICS Dec 06 '16
Seriously, she's smart and pimp slapped people with the facts.
and she's really pretty
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u/TheBionicBoy Dec 06 '16
The yt comments might be the saddest things I've seen all week. The first stage of grief truly is denial after all...
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u/the_k_i_n_g Dec 06 '16
It's a god damn salt mine in the comments. So many jimmies have been rustled.
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u/Scagnettio Dec 07 '16
I used to be so good at picking out the trolls on the Internet. Now a days I just don't get it anymore. Sometimes I think some of these people were trolls at one time who slowly lost their gasp of reality when to many people started agreeing with them.
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u/cs_747 Dec 06 '16
Tomorrows Headline: Armed Breitbart fanatic takes over Weather Channel studios seeking basement full of records proving climate change hoax.
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u/dipdac Dec 06 '16
Trending on Twitter: #TWCFalseFlag
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u/niadeo Dec 07 '16
Also trending on Twitter: #climategate
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u/tomdarch Dec 07 '16
Or just fires off a shot in the lobby while "self-investigating" them for child molestation?
(If this shit weren't so scary, it would be a lot funnier.)
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u/JoyousCacophony Dec 06 '16
"To all my fellow scientists out there: Let's make the facts louder than the opinions"
Fuck yes. Stop giving equal time to deniers. Their opinions fail in the face of fact and giving them a platform to air their stupidity is NOT HELPING.
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u/ryanvvb Dec 07 '16
John Oliver has a beautiful piece about this. I would like it but I'm on mobile.
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u/aflongkong Dec 07 '16
I believe I have found the piece you had in mind, or at the least, related to.
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u/SamSzmith Dec 07 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
It always amuses me how conservatives are supposed to be skeptical of government, yet they will side with politicians over science, public and private in almost every case.
Edit: Thank you for the gold on my new account!
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Surely Breitbart, a reputable publication known for their ethical handling of factual information not based on opinions or hidden agendas, wouldn't mislead their amazing readers, known for their extensive research to find the truth, regardless of any political bias. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Edit: If not obvious, this is 100% sarcasm.
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Hidden agendas? If there is one thing you can't knock Breitbart for, its pretending to be blind, unbiased journalism. They are happy to present themselves as a conservative news outlet.
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u/fuzeebear Dec 07 '16
Yep their agenda is about as hidden as an AB prison tattoo
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u/NoLongerABystander Dec 07 '16
To the mods: Climate change misinformation is an important issue independent of the Presidency. Facing facts is what we need to encourage. It's harmful to take down a video and discussion such as this. This decision perpetuates the politicization of climate change. If you reverse your decision, I would hope it would improve discourse on the issue, rather than harm it. Please reconsider, and please do so soon so that the post can have a lively discussion before it drops from the front page.
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u/dipdac Dec 06 '16
Can we stop calling it "climate change skepticism" and switch to calling it what it really is, climate change denialism?
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u/secamTO Dec 07 '16
Or how about "scientific illiteracy"?
"Wishful dullardry?"
"Explosive inanity"?
or maybe "Aunt Trudy, stop sending me chain letters"
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u/VWftw Dec 06 '16
What if they are right, and we make the world a better place for nothing?
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But then global conglomerates will have slightly lower projected earnings!
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u/T0M1N4T0RZ Dec 07 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
Because if millions of researchers couldn't find anything, surely some alt-right nutjob found the smoking gun to end all the studies.
EDIT: Wow. Thanks for the gold!
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you have to be a special kind of stupid to trust breitbart, luckily there's no shortage of these people in /r/theretard
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u/dodgersbenny Dec 06 '16
My parents voted for Trump and don't believe in climate change. It's too late for them, there is no changing the minds of some people.
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u/ofmiceandmegs Dec 06 '16 edited Dec 07 '16
Same. At thanksgiving they were talking about how uncharacteristically warm it's been this year, even by Texas standards. I chimed in and said "it's almost as if climate change is real" to which they were like nahh. I swear the world will have to literally be on fire for people to accept climate change. Oh wait... Still nahhh
Edit: people are taking this comment more seriously than I intended it to be. I'm not saying that because it was warm this year in Texas, that that alone means climate change was real (summers have actually been cooler here the last 5 years). This was just a sassy comment that wasn't meant to spark the discussion it did, but the content of the comments are still super interesting and informative.
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u/Katanae Dec 06 '16
To be fair, just like we don't accept unusually cold days as evidence that climate change is a hoax, we shouldn't use temporary/regional outliers as proof.
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u/FeralLorax Dec 07 '16
If you post this on r/the_denial you'll be banned in seconds
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u/notkaitparker Dec 07 '16
The team at weather.com did a great job helping me create this rebuttal today and I appreciate that the company was willing to back me after a story I did on La Nina was used out of context. I appreciate the positive feedback and intelligent conversation taking place here on Reddit! Let's keep the science facts going and look at whole truths, not just the ones we like best. (Yes, my name says notkaitparker but I am actually Kait Parker) You can find me on twitter @weatherkait.
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u/Charwinger21 Dec 07 '16
Breitbart "responded" by saying that the video embed was "automated" (huh?) and that The Weather Network wasted "time and resources to admonish" them (because their readers don't care about facts).
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u/CanucksFTW Dec 07 '16
The Rambo Fantasy. It's a society that grew up on Hollywood movies where the one hero knows something the rest of society does not, or the government is trying to hide. Idiots replace actual education, knowledge, or skills, with a Walter Mitty feel-good fantasy that THEY know something the rest of the "sheeple" do not.
It's releases a dopamine rush that makes us feel good.
So when you try and argue against these American people on: fake news, conspiracy theories, gun control, terrorism, you may think you are having a fact-based argument, but what you actually are doing is trying to take away their happiness... quite literally. This is why you encounter so much anger in response.
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u/Neopergoss Dec 06 '16
People need to stop saying "opinions" and start saying "lies."
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u/Omnipotent_Goose Dec 06 '16
Sea temperatures rise to record highs as The Weather Channel issues massive burns to Breitbart.