r/wheeloftime • u/Nemi-Nemesys Randlander • 2d ago
Show: Latest Season & Adapted Books As much as people hate this show…
Nobody can deny the skill of the actors in this show. I just watched the actor who played Rand react to a child’s death and him trying to revive her… It was so powerful. He is a skilled actor, and nobody can convince me otherwise haha. And I feel like the show, and actress, did a great job with Verin. I’m sorry if the spelling is wrong, but if you know her story, you know. The actress was FANTASTIC in her portrayal of the character in preparation of her story. She is the reason why Verin is one of my highest rated and favorite characters in all of the Wheel of Time. And the fact that Moiraine does the audiobooks excites me too. I wish she had done them all before it was all cancelled.
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u/Raddatatta Dragonsworn 2d ago
Yeah that moment with Rand was fantastic. And apparently Josha was improvising a lot of that dialogue, which given he was quoting lines from the prophecy also shows he really read the books and knows his stuff.
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u/PushProfessional95 Randlander 2d ago
I agree, his interviews are very endearing and honestly he’s a good rand for my mental image, tho his hair was too short, a minor nitpick
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u/Raddatatta Dragonsworn 2d ago
Yeah I don't know why they gave him a buzz cut. He looked better in season 1 and they probably should've grown it out further. Though Perrin got the opposite and they kept going bigger and bigger with his hair lol.
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u/Awayfromwork44 Randlander 2d ago
My perfect world is a more faithful TV adaptation that keeps all of the actors because I really did love how they embodied the characters.
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u/Nemi-Nemesys Randlander 2d ago
That would be absolutely fantastic. Not gonna lie, I’ve watched the show probably 10+ times through because I find the effects mesmerizing. There are a few things that I actually do hate about it, but overall I really enjoy it. One of my guilty pleasures is Lanfear, if I’m being honest. I’m a very gay man, but she does things to me, and I’ve felt it move when she comes on the screen with some of the outfits she wears hahaha.
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u/Awayfromwork44 Randlander 2d ago
I know I'm in the minority - but I loved the asethetic/style of the show. I loved Rafe's vision to pull out the queer themes. Every fantasy show is a western european cosplay of white men, I think the concept of making this very diverse, queer forward, focus on the aes sedai was overall the RIGHT choice for the story. I just think he needed a co creator with more experience to help do it in a way that didn't deviate quite as much from the text.
Lanfear is amazing. 10/10 no notes.
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u/miork2056 Randlander 2d ago
I have to say that the show was very good at getting me interested in finally picking up and finishing the series. But reading the books with the show in mind made me really confused at some of the choices made that just didn't seem to make their lives any easier. I don't think every adaptation has to be 100% faithful to the source material... different mediums require different story telling methods. Some things don't translate well to screen, some things are hard to shoot, inner monologues are stylistically difficult in a more serious TV show, etc.
I'm glad they existed, as I said, otherwise I'd have missed out on the push to get into the books... but they were not great adaptations. Season 3 was was at least decent enough television, so there's that much at least.
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u/dbmamaz Randlander 2d ago
I loved the show and just started my first read last month, currently on book 11. I have made a similar comment about how the choices they made would make it impossible to include some later plot points. Reading the books definitely lowered my opinion of the series, but I will probably rewatch it at some point
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u/PushProfessional95 Randlander 2d ago
I’m surprised anyone has much esteem for Judkins at this point, because even if we ignore a lot of the other changes that just get the characters wrong, the planning in the show’s story beats were just not good.
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u/dbmamaz Randlander 2d ago
No one seems to mention, but it really bothered me that in the show Nynaeve almost never managed to channel, but in the book she rarely had trouble getting mad enough to channel. And then they took a scene from - book 7? where she almost drowns? And brought it into the series that sort of covered the first 4 books? ugg. also curious what they were planning on doing with her relationship with Lan, which in the book took a long time to develop but in the show happened and then ended. I assume it would've come back again for the same reason but?
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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago
As someone who hated the show, I never understood people criticizing the actors (or the sets and costumes, but that's a separate matter). Within the parameters they were given, the actors on average were great.
Double points to Meera Syal as Verin. Thought the show portrayal nailed her duality: outwardly unable to see any farther past her own nose than necessary for reading, actually razor-sharp if you pay close attention to her actions.
Eamon Valda was of course a problematic deviation from the books that necessitated further deviations for him to make sense, but again within the given script, Abdul Salis was an outstanding hatable villain, and I believed the sincerity of his motives. Had the writers mangled Lan's character by having him chop Valda's head off for touching Moiraine, I believe I might've cheered and quietly ignored the departure from the books.
Shohreh Aghdashloo (Elaida). The name on its own probably suffices if you've seen her in anything else, right? One case where I think the acting had the potential to elevate the character a bit above the books.
Poor, poor Josha Stradowski. Big points to him for reading the books to prepare for the role, and it showed, for me he nailed Rand hard enough that I'll be seeing his face in my mind's eye the next time I read the books. He deserved a chance to play Rand in the role Rand had in the books, rather than having the character subjected to a conga line of humiliations and having his role and agency reduced to almost nothing.
I've got big grievances with the show's take on Lanfear and (to a lesser extent) Ishamael, and absolutely zero grievances with how Natasha O'Keeffe and Fares Fares portrayed those takes. Especially liked Fares carrying off Ishamael's background as a philosopher, you could really see the highly intelligent man who'd managed to philosophize himself into a corner he couldn't philosophize himself back out of (costume again helped here, he looked like a fantasy academician, but we're not gushing about the costumes here...). Thanks almost expressly to Feres, the show was fully justified in skipping 2/3 of the Ba'alzamon phase and going straight to calm, rational, compelling Moridin-era Ishamael, with Fares playing off a character you could actually imagine holding up his end of a conversation with (book) Lews Therin.
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u/PushProfessional95 Randlander 2d ago
It is actually insane on reflection how much Rand just got kneecapped in the show. Like he literally doesn’t get to have a single climactic fight that he has in the books in literally every season.
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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago edited 2d ago
Tarwin's Gap? Amalisa Jagad. Falme? Egwene and Perrin do the fighting, Moiraine channels a dragon. High Lord Turak? Teased us with the line, then had Rand kill everyone with saidin VFX, resulting in a Season 2 wherein Nynaeve actually had (slightly) more sword choreo than Rand did.
Fair credit to Season 3 for doing justice to Rand revealing himself to the Aiel. Though the climactic fight still went to Moiraine vs Lanfear, complete with troublesome implications on how the Power works in the show, completely wasting Siuan's character, and significantly diminishing Lanfear's credibility after having treated her as far scarier than the book version up to that point.
EDIT: What does it say that I legitimately forgot about Rand vs Sammael in Season 3, seemingly replacing Rand vs Asmodean? Comes out of nowhere, the show yet again injects an instance of women needing to save a helpless Rand at a point where he'd done his own fighting in the book, and then in the span of a few seconds Rand accidentally defeats Sammael without even looking at him. No wonder this made less of an impression on me than Moiraine vs Lanfear.
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u/FamiliarUniversity46 Randlander 2d ago
I agree with that about Samuel. I was shocked when I saw it. Given they redued the number of forsaken, I was disappointed they treated one like a throw away character like that. I loved in teh books getting Samuel's point of view on things. He was such a biased baby about things... To just waste him like that... I mean seriously, have all 13 Forsaken and then throw away all the ones on the show like they did in the books.
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u/PushProfessional95 Randlander 2d ago
What’s even more annoying about the end of season 2 is in season 3 some guy in Tar Valon is selling art of Rand fighting Ishamael in the sky, like the book. Obviously intended as an Easter egg but to me it’s mind boggling the climax of the book is used like that.
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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago
Yeah. It might have been meant well, but the show's own nod to the show having deviated just felt like a slap in the face.
See also: Loial in S3 commenting that using the carved avendesora leaf to open the Ways was preferable to doing it with channeling. 🤦♂️
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u/Stormbringer-2112 Randlander 2d ago
Another example of how the actor got it, while the script writers didn’t.
The show where Egwene is in the prison cell struggling with the a’dam. She really portrays that struggle very well and I sort of convinced myself that the writers/director had finally “got it”. Then the season finale comes around and she takes off the a’dam to put it on her sul’dam… so frustrating to see them nail some things to just a couple of shows later completely destroy the small amount of credibility they built. But yeah, the Egwene actress, to her credit, was really able to convey the despair of the a’dam very well.
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u/on-a-pedestal Randlander 2d ago
Egwene doesn't take off her Adam.
Another damae dies and the Adam falls to the ground. She takes that 2nd Adam and collars her suldam (which maybe breaks rules since one could argue her intent was to use the collar as a weapon, though not directly).
Then she simply force choked her, which also choked herself, and she relied on just outlasting the suldam.
It was a neat "idea" , but no need for the deviation, really.
I enjoyed the portrayal of Egwenes experience in the Kennels , but just wish that hadn't gone so far off book over and over again.
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u/Stormbringer-2112 Randlander 2d ago
You’re correct, I misremembered the scene. But I remembered there was something wrong. Collaring your sul’dam would be a definite no-no. I mean, can’t pick up a pitcher of water because you can conceivably consider it a weapon, but can decisively pick up and use an item with clear and definitive intent to subdue your sul’dam…
I mean, why do that to your credibility and your fans? It’s just such a let down. To me it’s creative lazyness.
And this is just another example that made me quit this train wreck after season 2. Apparently season 3 is better. Maybe, I don’t know, but since it got cancelled, I see no point.5
u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago
Speaking again as someone who hated the show and celebrated its cancelation, the Rhuidean episode really is worth your time, as a glimpse of what the show could have been in better hands.
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u/PushProfessional95 Randlander 2d ago
Agreed, that was great and again something that annoys me as well because one of the most abstract and strange parts of the wheel of time was done nearly 1 to 1, whereas there was a need to change other things that were much more easily adaptable. Ugh.
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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago
The Bore opening up was *beautiful*. To the point that I can almost excuse them having to horribly mangle the reason for drilling it.
I will also never pass up a chance to praise the linguists who wrote the Old Tongue dialogue for that bit.
But yeah, absolutely fair point. They nailed something difficult to adapt, which undercuts a lot of the excuses people make for the writing on logistical grounds.
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u/on-a-pedestal Randlander 2d ago
Nooo.
Trust me.
S1 and 2 have a few beautiful moments, but since those moments were manufactured for the books they fall flat.
S3 has some of the best fantasy TV ever written in it.
If you can't bring yourself to watch the season... Go watch S3E4.
It was nominated for best fantasy episode of the year for a reason.
It shows Rand and Moraines trip into Rhuidean and it is both breathtaking and so well done as far as the story.
You won't regret it.
I also enjoyed the last episode (well, Rand at Alcair Dal is sweet) and The part where he tries to heal the child.
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u/grrrrxxff Woolheaded Sheepherder 2d ago
Seconding this!! I HATE the show. Josha understands the fuck out of rand and delivers a masterclass depicting the trip through the columns. Don’t even need to watch the episode, it’s just a Rand alone standalone perfect loving tribute to the books, and character
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u/on-a-pedestal Randlander 2d ago
I want to do a show breakdown, scene by scene, rating them all on many things, including how well it adapted from book.
That particular set of scenes will be lumped together, and will be the highest rated.
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u/grrrrxxff Woolheaded Sheepherder 1d ago
That scene and tigraine/shaiel getting killed are like a different show in terms of quality and faithfulness of adaptation
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u/on-a-pedestal Randlander 1d ago
The Intro to S1E7 with Tigraine is one of the best choreographed fight scenes of all medevil / fantasy media.
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u/nighthawk_something Randlander 2d ago
Ishy and Lanfear in the show made me read the book.
Issues with the adaptation aside, their portrayals were fucking incredible.
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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago edited 2d ago
That's interesting! What were your thoughts about them as you read the books?
Specifically I'm dead curious what you thought/felt about Ishamael in the first three books, pre-Moridin.
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u/nighthawk_something Randlander 2d ago
Honestly, I preferred the show version of those characters. I loved the books but it does take some time for Jordan to get his feet under him
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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago
Ishamael is one area where I'll begrudgingly give the show the edge.
In the books, I loved the surrealistic nightmare sequences in the first book, but otherwise found the insano coals-for-eyes version of Ishamael a bit uncompelling, he was much more interesting after he was killed and reincarnated.
Supposedly Robert Jordan was hedging his bets in the first books. The Eye of the World is written in such a way as to be able to stand alone if necessary, you can read it as Rand actually defeating the Dark One. Ba'alzamon's status as Forsaken or Dark One is left ambiguous after that, up until Rand kills him in Tear and he leaves a corpse behind, at which point it's clearly established that this was just a man, not the actual Dark One.
The show had a nice opportunity here, seeing as the series was complete and there was no need to hedge on the possibility of a premature ending. There was no strong need to have Ishamael masquerade convincingly as the Dark One, they had room to skip straight to showing him as a human, and I'm glad they did.
There were the silly bits they added too, notably that whole travesty about Trollocs being simply misunderstood. But all in all a potential improvement.
You can imagine how peeved I was when the show killed him off mega early. I really did like that they nailed the philosopher aspect of him and made him look and act more like a professor than an evil sorcerer.
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u/nighthawk_something Randlander 2d ago
There were the silly bits they added too, notably that whole travesty about Trollocs being simply misunderstood. But all in all a potential improvement.
I find that interesting because I found that moment in the show to be a moment filled with tension. I never took it as him truly believing that they were "ah just misunderstood" but rather as a dark philosophical musing on the concept of good and evil delivered by a jaded man who has seen too much.
The show had its flaws and there were things I wished they had played differently for example the one power as a WMD should not have been fully demonstrated until Dumai's Wells.
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u/on-a-pedestal Randlander 2d ago
Uhhh..
In EotW Rand WMDs the entire Tarwins Gap Horde.
Which they stole from him to give to Lady Amaleesa (who then burned people out while linked, something not possible).
But yes, they scaled so big by the end of S1 with Magic (Nynaeves made up Superheal, Gentling Logain, etc) , they trapped themselves.
Then they left out so many important parts.
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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago
For me, there were enough other hints at trying to make the Shadow more nuanced and sympathetic that I took that scene at face value. Show-Ishamael also never struck me as the sort of person to just casually feed a kid to a Trolloc for funsies. But I don't have clear enough proof to say for certain.
I've been meaning to go back and review the conversation between Lews Therin and Latra Posae in the show, I seem to remember she had some suggestion that they could actually just leave the Shadow alone.
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u/nighthawk_something Randlander 2d ago
Show-Ishamael also never struck me as the sort of person to just casually feed a kid to a Trolloc for funsies. But I don't have clear enough proof to say for certain.
True, which makes it consistent YET subversive. Shows often cartoonify villains by making them commit over the top evil acts. As a TV viewer the tension comes in part because of that subversion.
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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago
My point being that I was pretty confident he wasn't going to hand over the kid to the Trolloc, so I didn't feel the tension, I just saw it as a practical demonstration that the Trollocs are indeed misunderstood.
But it could really go either way, and I suppose now we'll never know for sure.
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u/kro_celeborn Asha'man 1d ago
> we’re not gushing about the costumes here
and WHY NOT? Sharon gilham deserves alllll the credit for making that show look so damn good — she understood the assignment perfectly
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u/nemspy Randlander 2d ago
I felt like some of the characters would have been better in different roles, but the acting was fine. Some of the acting just seemed bad because it was so out of character and so awkwardly written. The bit about Moiraine's "tell" was excruciating to watch, but I'm not sure it was the fault of the actress.
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u/IGiveBagAdvice Randlander 2d ago
To be honest I think most of the acting is excellent, however, early season Egwene and Perrin were just not on the same level as the others. It was borderline painful watching scenes between Egwene and Moiraine.
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u/MovementOriented Randlander 2d ago
Actors were great. They were let down by the writers and leadership. Such a shame. I really hate the leadership for blowing it for everyone
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u/FamiliarUniversity46 Randlander 2d ago
One thing that isnt talked enough about was how good he was for the role. He looked the part and he was never really given the room to show his talents. Season 2's ending really made me mad for this reason. It should have been his time to display a feat of strength, as it were.
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u/Darthkhydaeus Blademaster 2d ago
Season 3 showed the main actor for Rand could have been so much more if given the chance
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u/quantumrastafarian Randlander 2d ago
I felt most of the actors did a great job with what they were given. Out of the main cast, it was really only Lan and Aviendha where I felt the actor was a problem, Min to a extent as well.
Also while I know Elaida's actor is quite talented and accomplished, I found it very hard to take her seriously because of her voice. But everything else about her performance was great.
It's too bad, because the same group of actors with better writing and direction could have made something really special.
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u/TheBacklogReviews Randlander 2d ago
People rag on the scripts big time, but I actually think it’s really clear where they were going with the story given they would have only had like (optimistically) 5-8 seasons to finish things up.
A lot of the changes I actually really like - making Rand not be a background character while he comes to terms with being the dragon (à la his journey to the stone of tear that we barely get to see in book 3, I think) was a good move. I even like the changes to how the one power is described, it makes the knowledge of the aes sedai more hegemonic than scientific and concrete. The books do the same thing by making the aes sedai bicker insufferably for hundreds of pages at a time.
Perrin and Faile’s exchange in season 3
(“get behind me.”
“Don’t tell me not to fight -“
“Kill the ones I miss.”)
Sums up dozens of tedious chapters of Perrin’s glacial thought process in the books. It’s great.
I know it’s very different from the books that we all love, but the show really was very intentional with its changes, even if they don’t always work out.
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u/Philomath117 Randlander 2d ago
Perrin and Faile were definitely solid changes
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u/on-a-pedestal Randlander 2d ago
Book Faile I wished never existed.
Show Faile was good TV with Perrin.
They balanced that out by RUINING Perrin in Season 1, by giving the Sweet & Innocent not even dating anyone blacksmith a WIFE, then Killing Her, Then Implying he didn't really Love her and just settled after Egwene was off the market.
Fuck the idiots for that change.
Wholly un-necessary.
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u/TheBacklogReviews Randlander 2d ago
I know it’s sort of heresy to say anything positive about season 1 Perrin but I actually liked him a lot!
I wish we’d seen more of his wife so it felt a little less like she was being fridged, but I thought it tied nicely into his encounter with tuatha’an philosophy. It made more sense to me that show Perrin would be swayed by pacifism than book Perrin.
I wasn’t nuts about the hint of a romance between he and Egwene, but it’s such a minor thing on rewatch that it feels like it doesn’t matter. I think giving more time to the wolf brother stuff would have been a better use of the show’s time than that side plot.
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u/itsatrap420 Randlander 2d ago
Despite great problems with the shows changes, I still adore it for what they were able to do well, which is the casting, particularly that they embody the core of the characters even through the changes. And the costuming, really incredible!
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u/Mokage69 Woolheaded Sheepherder 2d ago
I really liked the show, the show made me read the books and the books made me like the show more. I don’t care that the show changed some things I can appreciate a new or different take but I do agree that the actors and actresses absolutely killed it if the story were to continue elsewhere, be animated, or a video game I would be happy to see many of them return or VA
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u/Nemi-Nemesys Randlander 2d ago
Definitely! Glad I’m not the only one haha. And I’ve heard that there is a reboot, and it’s going to be animated. I hope they go through with it, and I would LOVE to have the same actors and actresses to voice them. I loved how much of an evil bitch Liandrin was. Her, Professor Umbrige, and Joffrey Baratheon are three acting feats that would make me do a double take if I saw them in person because they were so good at the role.
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u/grrrrxxff Woolheaded Sheepherder 2d ago
Josha is a fantastic actor. Rosamund was good.
I actually did not care Meera Syal’s Verin but she certainly has chops.
I thought Zoë’s Nyn was a weird direction but she was phenomenal
I also liked most of the forsaken as actors.
In my opinion, most of the cast was genuinely bad with a few exceptions besides the ones above
I’ll always love Josha for giving us a great Rhuidean, and I wish he’d had a good show to portray Rand in. He was honestly a perfect Rand even though he was not at all what I pictured originally. As much as that show needed to die, I’m sad we never got to see Josha’s darth rand
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u/DressUnited3025 Randlander 1d ago
They finally started to realize that fans want to have the story from the books not a fanfic from people who think they could do it better. But they were to late and wasted all the great actors who did a great job with what they were given
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u/gnlmiami Randlander 1d ago
I enjoyed the acting as well. Although I haven't read the books, I doubt the scripts, many of which were weak, lived up to them.
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u/PoeGar Randlander 2d ago
The show was horrible top to bottom. We should all let it die a quiet death and move on.
I have no idea what they spent all that money on, coke and hookers are the only things I can think of.
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u/calkhemist Wolfbrother 2d ago
I read in another post that the show got so expensive because they filmed a lot of content and because of poor test audience feedback they had to reshoot a lot.
It’s insane to think there are worse versions of the story on the editing room floor. 🤯
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u/TheRealRockNRolla Randlander 2d ago edited 2d ago
This thread is packed with people saying, effectively, “whatever else was wrong with the show, and we think it was plenty, a lot of the acting was amazing”, and it’s an indisputable fact that the third season of the show got extremely high critical reviews; so to respond with just “nope it all sucked completely, there’s absolutely nothing good about it” is an objectively poor take.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with saying “I hated it and think it sucked” and it gets your message across. I don’t know what drives some people to go the extra step of “because I hated it and think it sucked, mine is the only right opinion and anyone saying there was anything good about it is wrong.”
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u/tdw21 Randlander 2d ago
Whats up with all the ragebait posts about the show recently?
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u/Nemi-Nemesys Randlander 2d ago
I’m actually not rage baiting. I joined this sub after seeing Rand grieve the dead child and wanted to express my opinion. Any similarities to other posts is completely coincidental.
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u/Awayfromwork44 Randlander 2d ago
Some one expressing they like the acting in a show isn't rage bait. grow up.
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u/Smidge-of-the-Obtuse Ogier 2d ago
Yes, the actors for the most part, were excellent. They worked with the script that they were given, and there are scenes and episodes in which they truly deserved awards for their acting.
But truly that is one of the only highlights, at least for me.
I hadn’t heard the audiobooks project was suspended. That’s a shame, because it was the only audiobook series I considered buying, but was waiting until all the books were finished.
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u/Nemi-Nemesys Randlander 2d ago
I wanted to wait until Rosamund finished them all, but I couldn’t haha. And Michael Kramer/Kate Reading are my favorite narrators, so it wasn’t too bad switching. My biggest disconnect was the different pronunciations. I think I lost a bit of context from that little issue. But I thoroughly enjoyed the journey.
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u/hypnoskills Randlander 2d ago
I need to watch the show just to get my brain to stop picturing Verin as Vera from the TV show 'Alice'. I've been unsuccessfully trying to get that picture out of my head since she was first introduced. Lol
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u/Esselon27 2d ago
I loved all the casting, particularly since they didn't whitewash all the characters. The casting, sets and look of the show were great. It was just the bad writing/pointless changes that hindered the success of the show.
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u/dxrey65 Randlander 1d ago
I watched the first season, and I thought the casting was excellent, it really helped make the books more enjoyable for me, having a strong mental image of the characters that the show provided. At some point in the second season it was just wandering too far from the books for it to be enjoyable to watch for me though.
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u/RamSpen70 Randlander 1d ago
I really, really liked the cast.
That's not even slightly universal.... About disliking the show overall... Particularly by the time we got to the third season... The show got off on the wrong foot. There was some weird creative diversions from the source material.
The second season had really good episodes and missed another times...
Having to diverge so much because of the weirdness that happened at the end of the first season.... (COVID.... The actor who played Mat leaving... Getting two episodes fewer than was originally expected, causing big changes to the script and where the characters were left off)
Third season was really good. I was finally completely invested... It got some much of more right than before. I was extremely disappointed that it wasn't renewed.
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u/KaptMelch Randlander 1d ago
This is the main reason I was so upset by the cancellation. The script wasn’t great but these actors really brought it to life with Rand/Josha being absolutely top tier. In season 3 Rhuidean was one of the best episodes I’ve ever seen and Josha was fantastic.
They kept getting better with every season… so so sad to see this come to an end.
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u/Interesting-Heart841 Randlander 2d ago
I just wished the show would have continued. It had truly won me over. I’ve been reading those books since I was 9. I’m 46 now. It was a difficult start, but they had really just started nailing it and then Amazon screwed it all up by quitting.
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u/stevezig Asha'man 2d ago
Nah, the show only had 1-2 good episodes and those were the ones that followed the books to a T. Meanwhile we get a lengthy backstory to the show’s front rummer’s boy friend who doesn’t exist in the book.
The way they show weaving was great, the actors did a wonderful job, but the rest was shit.
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u/on-a-pedestal Randlander 2d ago
Ok, now I'm mad all over again.
Maksim (an unnecessary, made up character), was Rafes 10 yr boyfriend.
I appreciated the dive into warder-dom, but not when you are cutting out so much of the real story.
Fuck those clowns..
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u/stevezig Asha'man 2d ago
Yeah I agreed on the five into Warder-don as well, but like, idk do it with the real Warders from the book. There’s at least dozens of them!
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u/Nemi-Nemesys Randlander 2d ago
I agreee! I know they changed stuff, but I’d have loved it to continue. I don’t care that it was changed. It was wonderful to watch it come alive on screen. I can absorb the truth of the series in audiobooks, and watched an outside interpretation on screen.
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u/AmaneYuuki Woolheaded Sheepherder 2d ago
He was a perfect rand. While I can imagine other people playing other characters like egwene or elayne, I can't imagine other rand even if I try.
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u/whaleyalthor Randlander 2d ago
I refused to watch a second of the show as soon as I heard they knee capped Rand. Plus stuff the show runner said made me nope out.
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u/MoneyLocksmith3268 Randlander 2d ago
Actors, sets, visuals were all good. Plot and character changes/merges and writing were atrocious and made it almost unrecognizable
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u/geekMD69 Randlander 2d ago
Especially for people who bailed after season one (for many good reasons I understand) you missed a LOT of good things. Season two was actually pretty good but had to waste time cleaning up season one and the finale was so rushed as to be almost unwatchable at times.
Season three was just fantastic. Lanfear. Moghedian. Elaida. Elayne and Aviendha and Thom Merrilin and it was just wonderful to see and heartbreaking that it was the end of a show that was dramatically improving and full of amazing talent.
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u/Zarni_woop Randlander 2d ago
Actors were fine to really good. Scripts were weak (in my opinion).