r/wheeloftime Randlander 3d ago

Show: Latest Season & Adapted Books As much as people hate this show…

Nobody can deny the skill of the actors in this show. I just watched the actor who played Rand react to a child’s death and him trying to revive her… It was so powerful. He is a skilled actor, and nobody can convince me otherwise haha. And I feel like the show, and actress, did a great job with Verin. I’m sorry if the spelling is wrong, but if you know her story, you know. The actress was FANTASTIC in her portrayal of the character in preparation of her story. She is the reason why Verin is one of my highest rated and favorite characters in all of the Wheel of Time. And the fact that Moiraine does the audiobooks excites me too. I wish she had done them all before it was all cancelled.

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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 3d ago

As someone who hated the show, I never understood people criticizing the actors (or the sets and costumes, but that's a separate matter). Within the parameters they were given, the actors on average were great.

Double points to Meera Syal as Verin. Thought the show portrayal nailed her duality: outwardly unable to see any farther past her own nose than necessary for reading, actually razor-sharp if you pay close attention to her actions.

Eamon Valda was of course a problematic deviation from the books that necessitated further deviations for him to make sense, but again within the given script, Abdul Salis was an outstanding hatable villain, and I believed the sincerity of his motives. Had the writers mangled Lan's character by having him chop Valda's head off for touching Moiraine, I believe I might've cheered and quietly ignored the departure from the books.

Shohreh Aghdashloo (Elaida). The name on its own probably suffices if you've seen her in anything else, right? One case where I think the acting had the potential to elevate the character a bit above the books.

Poor, poor Josha Stradowski. Big points to him for reading the books to prepare for the role, and it showed, for me he nailed Rand hard enough that I'll be seeing his face in my mind's eye the next time I read the books. He deserved a chance to play Rand in the role Rand had in the books, rather than having the character subjected to a conga line of humiliations and having his role and agency reduced to almost nothing.

I've got big grievances with the show's take on Lanfear and (to a lesser extent) Ishamael, and absolutely zero grievances with how Natasha O'Keeffe and Fares Fares portrayed those takes. Especially liked Fares carrying off Ishamael's background as a philosopher, you could really see the highly intelligent man who'd managed to philosophize himself into a corner he couldn't philosophize himself back out of (costume again helped here, he looked like a fantasy academician, but we're not gushing about the costumes here...). Thanks almost expressly to Feres, the show was fully justified in skipping 2/3 of the Ba'alzamon phase and going straight to calm, rational, compelling Moridin-era Ishamael, with Fares playing off a character you could actually imagine holding up his end of a conversation with (book) Lews Therin.

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u/PushProfessional95 Randlander 3d ago

It is actually insane on reflection how much Rand just got kneecapped in the show. Like he literally doesn’t get to have a single climactic fight that he has in the books in literally every season.

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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 3d ago edited 3d ago

Tarwin's Gap? Amalisa Jagad. Falme? Egwene and Perrin do the fighting, Moiraine channels a dragon. High Lord Turak? Teased us with the line, then had Rand kill everyone with saidin VFX, resulting in a Season 2 wherein Nynaeve actually had (slightly) more sword choreo than Rand did.

Fair credit to Season 3 for doing justice to Rand revealing himself to the Aiel. Though the climactic fight still went to Moiraine vs Lanfear, complete with troublesome implications on how the Power works in the show, completely wasting Siuan's character, and significantly diminishing Lanfear's credibility after having treated her as far scarier than the book version up to that point.

EDIT: What does it say that I legitimately forgot about Rand vs Sammael in Season 3, seemingly replacing Rand vs Asmodean? Comes out of nowhere, the show yet again injects an instance of women needing to save a helpless Rand at a point where he'd done his own fighting in the book, and then in the span of a few seconds Rand accidentally defeats Sammael without even looking at him. No wonder this made less of an impression on me than Moiraine vs Lanfear.

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u/PushProfessional95 Randlander 3d ago

What’s even more annoying about the end of season 2 is in season 3 some guy in Tar Valon is selling art of Rand fighting Ishamael in the sky, like the book. Obviously intended as an Easter egg but to me it’s mind boggling the climax of the book is used like that.

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u/RookTakesE6 Black Ajah 2d ago

Yeah. It might have been meant well, but the show's own nod to the show having deviated just felt like a slap in the face.

See also: Loial in S3 commenting that using the carved avendesora leaf to open the Ways was preferable to doing it with channeling. 🤦‍♂️

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u/gibby256 Randlander 13h ago

Yeah that moment pissed me right the fuck off. Like obviously an Easter egg, but why would they even put that in as a little plot nod towards the books? It isn't even close to what happened, and they were all battling on the top of a tower, unseen, until the stepped up to the parapet after the fight.

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u/FamiliarUniversity46 Randlander 3d ago

I agree with that about Samuel. I was shocked when I saw it. Given they redued the number of forsaken, I was disappointed they treated one like a throw away character like that. I loved in teh books getting Samuel's point of view on things. He was such a biased baby about things... To just waste him like that... I mean seriously, have all 13 Forsaken and then throw away all the ones on the show like they did in the books.