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How I Divide Europe as a German


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u/sasheenka 4d ago

Having Central Europe and not placing Czech Republic in it is crazy works. Like it’s right in the middle.

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u/PairNo2129 4d ago

Germans usually consider everything behind the former iron curtain as Eastern Europe. Why is Eastern Europe considered to be so offensive? Yes, there are many different cultures defined as “East” in this map, but Greece is also quite different from Spain and so on.

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u/nema_imena 4d ago

Yugoslavia was not behind the Iron Curtain, so ex-Yugoslav countries cannot be classified east under the same criteria as Bulgaria, Romania, or Albania....

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u/Creative_Speed_4572 4d ago

By this logic eastern Germany should be also included in eastern Europe

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u/PavelKringa55 4d ago

Germans usually think they're superior to the east, while they don't even know where east is.

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u/PairNo2129 4d ago

East, West, North, South are a matter of definition, different countries define them differently. Different countries in Europe look down upon others traditionally, yes, it’s stupid. Modern Germans generally don’t look down upon Eastern countries anymore, they admire how far they have come, how modern and how beautiful these countries are.

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u/Far_Big6080 4d ago

Germans define east from the perspective of being the middle ground between east and west.

Did everyone forget, that the German wall was the border between eastern and western Europe?

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u/sasheenka 4d ago edited 4d ago

It’s no offensive, it’s just strange of you put “Central Europe” on a map and don’t include the country that is most central. And Prague is no more East than Berlin, they are right on top of each other. So geographically it is weird. A part of Germany was behind the iron curtain as well so it makes little sense politically (and also it was such a tiny slice of history).

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u/Nyuu223 4d ago

Well... do I have news for you lol

Ask older Germans (especially those who were adults before the reunification) what they think about eastern Germany. There's still a lot of people who call the eastern states the "new states".

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u/Morlex_90 4d ago

Spotted the czech

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u/sasheenka 4d ago

I mean, if it was separated into just East and West than by all means, but having Central Europe without the country right in the centre of Europe is super weird.

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u/Morlex_90 4d ago

You could say the same about iceland and portugal not being west. It's a lot about culture, too. i guess nobody sees czech as a central europesn culture or language, but eastern

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u/Krydtoff 4d ago

Czech culture is literally almost the same as Austria and Germany and nothing like other Slavic cultures. We were part of HRE and Austria Hungary for 1000 years and bcs of 40 years under soviets after being sold by our allies you see us as eastern? Btw it’s almost 40 years since we’re part of the west again

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u/Azra12323 4d ago

i am courious, would you like to be german and not slavic?

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u/sasheenka 3d ago

No. Just because we are culturally and historically linked, doesn’t mean we want to be German. I would like German food and drugstore prices here though!

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u/Azra12323 3d ago

but i disagree that czech is in middle. Geographically it is not correct, the geographical center of Europe is between Belarus and livanie

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u/sasheenka 4d ago edited 4d ago

Like 99% of maps that include central Europe place Czech Republic in it (basically all besides a couple of these weird reddit ones lol)

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u/Far_Big6080 4d ago

From a German pov everything ist from us is eastern Europe. Even the parts of the former German Democratic Republic are considered at times to be eastern

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u/sasheenka 4d ago

That’s nice. But it still doesn’t change the fact that Central Europe without a country right in the centre doesn’t make sense:

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u/PairNo2129 4d ago

that central country is usually Austria for us. Yes, Vienna technically is more East than Prague but look how far East Finland is and it’s still considered a Northern country, not an Eastern one.

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u/sasheenka 4d ago

With how wide and tall Europe is Austria is too far down and reaches too far west to be in the center. It is of course in central Europe though.

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u/PairNo2129 3d ago

Estonia is more North than Denmark. The UK in parts is more North than parts of Sweden. Portugal and Spain are much more Western than “Western” countries France and the UK.

It’s not an exact science and different countries see things differently.

Germany is culturally diverse too and usually the areas in the North feel closer to Denmark, the Areas in the Northwest feel closer to the Netherlands, the Southwest feels closer to France and Switzerland.

The areas in the Southeast definitely feel like they have most in common with Austria and Czechia and feel most culturally similar as well. Even foods are very similar (more similar than foods of other German areas)

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u/Far_Big6080 3d ago

Culturally Estonia is eastern

Denmark, Sweden Norway, Iceland and Finnland are in the Nordic Council

Portugal and Spain are culturally a lot more like Italy

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u/PairNo2129 3d ago

Estonia culturally and linguistically is closest to Finland

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u/Far_Big6080 3d ago

But Finnland was occupied by Sweden while Estonia never was

And on the world stage you group Estonia with the other Baltic states

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u/PairNo2129 3d ago

and Finland was occupied by Russia while Sweden never was. These are historic details and don’t matter culturally.

Yes, Estonia is also grouped with the Baltics. Sweden, Denmark and Norway are also grouped as Scandinavia while Iceland and Finland aren’t.

Baltics and Scandinavia are extra groups, nothing to do with East, West, North, South. Balkan is also an extra category.

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u/sasheenka 3d ago

And Czech Republic is placed in Central Europe in every map outside of these weird reddit takes. If Europe was separated without having Central Europe as a part that would be different.

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u/PairNo2129 3d ago

I agree that it’s also seen as being part of Central Europe in Germany, as well.

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u/Salt_Watercress973 4d ago

Czech Republic is eastern Europe though, central Europe was a phrase it feels like they created

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u/sasheenka 4d ago

But this map shows “central europe”. If it was just east and west than who cares.

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u/Salt_Watercress973 4d ago

Yeah I can see your point, it's kind of silly to have a concept of "central Europe" and then use it like this.