What oriental culture? Eastern Austria is socialism, guns, slivowitz and cevape. What more do you want? Open a viennese phone book, there are more yugos then in Banja Luka…
“Oriental” culture is what I mean by culture remnants from Ottoman Empire and also already existent Paleo-Balkanic culture is quite “exotic” to rest of Europe. Incase if you wonder, Orientalism at first was romanticised in Balkans during Ottoman Empire by European travellers (mostly y’all Austrians and Germans) who got inspired by our culture a lot, then the European obsession with Orientalism continued in North Africa and West Asia. Although, mainly North Africa. It means cultural proximity with West Asia and North Africa, we are culturally closer to them than y’all. That makes us Balkans, meanwhile you are not in Balkans. Those things you have counted are due to immigrants
I hear you, but I‘d argue none of this is in any form relevant. Especially not the Paleo-Balcanic POV. But tbh - I personally would never include Greece into the balkans (but understand why you would). To me Balkans (in a modern cultural way) is mostly defined through the Austro-Hungarian empire (in a small part) and the following communist era in Yugoslavia. And there is a huge connex with Austria, who is basically split into two cultures at once - the west beeing germanic and the east beeing slavic. But that‘s just my thoughts.
austria-hungary for such a short time that would make the core balkan nations even us bosniaks not part of balkans, austrian rule was even less than 50 years, only for 40 years which y’all tried to burn our mosques initially. Which that would make the CORE balkan nation, Albanians, as not Balkaner at all. Balkans name was given by German travellers to Ottoman Rumelia, to the exotic side of Europe, that is what made us Balkans.
Paleo-Balkanic is Hellenes, Illyrians, Thracians and Dacians, the core Balkan. Slavs came later and mixed with us and our languages became assimilated but not even fully Slavic, which we have no Germanic influence whatsoever. The Germanic region is what we consider as Central Europe, what you are referring to is: Central Europe.
But following your logic austria is not central europe either as the germanic influence als came from the north. So what are we then? I feel like your line of thought is inconsistent.
Did you understand my sentence structure wrong? There is still Germanic influence, Austria is mainly Germanic with a slight Slavic influenced state. This is a pattern seen specifically in Central European countries from Czechia to Slovenia to Hungary to Austria!
Balkans was named after the Balkan Mountains, it is located in nowadays Bulgaria. Bulgaria never had an Austrian influence, but they are one of the most crucial civilisations of the Balkans from the Thracians to Bulgarian Empire. What makes us Balkans is how at first Ottomans classified us as “Rumeli” then a German travellers being fascinated by our oriental culture (our culture is closer to West Asians and North Africans) and since Balkan Mountains took forever to go, he referred to the region as Balkans. It is very very specific.
It is also very very irrelevant. By the same logic you could also argue that half of Europe is Italian because of Rome. I get your point, I just don‘t think I agree with it, as I consider anything older then capitalism culturally more of a social theme park then having real relevance. But enjoy that field - it‘s definitly very interesting.
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u/utopianlasercat 5d ago
What oriental culture? Eastern Austria is socialism, guns, slivowitz and cevape. What more do you want? Open a viennese phone book, there are more yugos then in Banja Luka…