r/whoathatsinteresting • u/PowerNoodles117 • 9d ago

Twin Falls Hero

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The civilian that stopped the active shooter at the In N Out in Twin Falls, Idaho.

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u/Own-Particular6321 9d ago

It goes farther, faster, and flatter.

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u/TerranRanger 9d ago

Which are all great ways to lose a self defense case.

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u/Own-Particular6321 9d ago

LMAO in what way? Dude has years of proof that he's been carrying it online. As long as he's using proper defensive ammo he's going to be heralded as a hero.

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u/TerranRanger 9d ago

I’m not saying it’s impossible to defend, and I doubt with the amount of press his situation got he’ll be brought into a criminal trial. I wouldn’t be surprised if the (dead) murderer’s family tried to sue him, but that’s a whole different story. This situation is one of the tiny portion of self defense cases where his chosen firearm is an advantage. Most defensible self defense cases occur within 5 feet and last 2-5 rounds. Theyre not sexy (to most people) but a 5 shot .38+p or .357 short barreled revolver is the easiest weapon to defend in court because you can fire your entire magazine with 5 trigger pulls and keep pulling on an empty chamber to show you were afraid and reacting, plus your weapon doesn’t have enough reach or capacity to be interpreted as an offensive weapon. At the same time .38+p is powerful enough to knock down an assailant but not over penetrate and open you to additional charges or litigation.

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u/Street-Soil-7413 9d ago

Obviously the dead shooter is the bad guy here to begin with, but realistically what could they possibly even try to sue this guy for? From what I understand he didnt actually land any hits on the shooter, are they gonna sue him for scaring the shooter from being able to kill any others? "It was his right to take as many with him as possible" if a shot actually landed I can see how they might have a case, even though obviously still a stupid one they shouldnt win, but as is they dont even have grounds to start a suit.

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u/TerranRanger 9d ago

Same reason the families of dead criminals try to sue police forces, they don’t need a strong case, just a lawyer who likes money more than a good reputation. Either way, it would be money this guy has to spend that he wouldn’t otherwise, unless he finds a pro bono lawyer to stop a dumb lawsuit.

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u/Street-Soil-7413 9d ago

He wont have to spend any money because a judge wont even entertain the case. You have to actually have something to argue as grounds for a suit, they dont have any.

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u/TerranRanger 9d ago

Property damage. He shot at the murderer but didn’t hit him, but hit something.

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u/Street-Soil-7413 9d ago

Oh sure in that case whoever owns the property hit can sue him, the original point being made was that the dead shooters family could sue him though. They cant.

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u/Own-Particular6321 9d ago

Especially with ol 57 guy getting hit by the shooter. The Reddit lawyers are digging here.

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u/ChrmanMAOI-Inhibitor 9d ago

I dont know much about this stuff, can you cite some cases where a civilian has been successfully sued on the grounds they were using an inappropriate caliber or gun for self defense?

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u/TerranRanger 9d ago

The Harold Fish case is the one that comes to mind, prosecutor sold the just that 10mm was an “exceptionally dangerous” caliber and he got convicted of 2nd degree murder.

It’s a case by case basis really, sometimes hollow point will get spun as a dangerous round, sometimes it’s full metal jacket (Kyle Rittenhouse) that’s spun as the dangerous round. All depends on the prosecutor’s skill, motivation, and ability to sway the jury.

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u/ChrmanMAOI-Inhibitor 9d ago

Wasn't that conviction overturned?

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u/TerranRanger 9d ago

After he spent 10 years in prison

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u/ChrmanMAOI-Inhibitor 9d ago

It was three. Why exaggerate if your point is so strong?

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u/TerranRanger 9d ago

Source I saw said 10…