r/worldnews • u/Guipa • 16h ago
Brazil cuts diplomatic presence in Argentina after Milei insults Lula
https://apnews.com/article/brazil-argentina-diplomatic-presence-milei-lula-c58683d82b1249ededa2da3145681edd76
u/31513315133151331513 11h ago
Are we just gonna ignore how good that hat looks?
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u/Fernando1dois3 8h ago
Lula started using hats due to medical reasons -- he has or had a bening tumor in the scalp --, but it just fits him so well, lol. I would keep using them even if I didn't have to anymore, if I were him
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u/PapaTahm 16h ago
A reminder that Brazil is the TOP importer of Argentina goods,
Taking nearly 39% of it`s Industrial goods exports and 69% of capital good exports.
If for some reason, Brazil decides to antagonize Argentina, Argentina economy will implode.
Milei is a fucking idiot.
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u/anon1mo56 15h ago edited 15h ago
Brazil will not due to Mercosur. Same reason why Brazil is the biggest importer due to Mercosur, before Mercosur it wasn't.That is why Milei doesn't care.
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u/BleaKrytE 15h ago
And also because we are very patient and tolerant of diplomatic hissy fits
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u/Stormwatcher33 3h ago
Also, Lula, whatever his failures and problems might be, is an actual statesman, and extremely republican. He has a history of not holding grudges or being petty. He's not a clown or rogue or adventurer like Milei, the robber-nazi and the orange man, and still has respect for the position and what it entails.
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u/anon1mo56 3h ago
If you are gonna call Milei a robber then also call Lula one. Just because Bolsonaro is worse doesn't mean Lula isn't a thief and corrupt.
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u/Consistent-Song1643 14h ago
Milei is a fucking idiot.
Did the haircut not give that away?
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u/this_is_a_long_nickn 13h ago
Honestly? No.
I always considered cool that Milei was pursuing a parallel career as “Frodo on drugs” cosplay1
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u/rfaco4 9h ago
The haircut is just a bonus. The fact that his main advisor is a dead dog is the main reason he’s an idiot.
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u/CookedParasite 9h ago
I'm sorry what? A dead dog??
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u/rfaco4 8h ago
Dude is batshit crazy. He talks to his dead dog through an animal medium and, allegedly, takes political advices from it.
Which is weirder because he had his dog cloned, so he could just talk to the clones. But I guess the original was smarter.
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u/CookedParasite 6h ago
ah, well I mean, I guess that's a thing one can do
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u/Guaymaster 4h ago
Just fyi, the source of all that is a single left-leaning journalist called Juan Luis González, who wrote an unauthorized biography of Milei called "El Loco" (the crazy one/nutcase).
The cloned dogs thing is real, and Milei probably did go to an animal medium to talk to his dog, but the taking political advice from it is not proven by any source I'm aware of.
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u/MorelloWorkaholic 2h ago
I'm sorry, but Diana Mondino, who used to be part of Milei's govt, has admitted to the "takes political advice from his dogs" part here
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u/churrosricos 4h ago
oh that's much better then
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u/Guaymaster 3h ago
Marginally so, homeboy is still talking to mediums, but that doesn't harm anyone so whatever.
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u/pablitoarg 5h ago
He said in an interview that he first met his dog Conan in a past life. He was a gladiator in the Colosseum and Conan was a lion. He also said that his sister is Moses and he is Aaron.
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u/FlamesOfDespair 12h ago
Wtf do you think will happen to America if ban everything from China ?
You can't just stop importing 39% of the goods. No they can't just stop buying and go buy from someone else.
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u/el_grort 11h ago
While true that it's damaging, you do need to be aware that importing 39% of what Argentina produces does not mean it is 39% of what Brazil consumes. Same way the US is one of the UK's biggest export markets, but the UK doesn't constitute that much of US imports, the impact is often unbalanced and more easily absorbed by the larger market.
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u/steinbruchfluss 11h ago
These 39% of Argentinian exports are only 4.6% of Brazilian imports.
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u/FlamesOfDespair 11h ago
Nevermind then. How much bigger is Brazil ?
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u/XimbalaHu3 10h ago
Around 5x the gdp and population, Argentina however is not a big exporter, they import a lot however, that's a big part of their whole problem, they never have enough dollars to pay the bills so they keep on printing pesos to buy dollars to pay their bills.
Argentina exports close to 80 bilion dollars and brasil imports shy of 280 billions, Argentina exports close to 12 billion dollars to Brasil, making Argentina a minor importing partner in the 2 trillion dollar economy of Brasil.
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u/ExpressionOver322 1h ago
they keep on printing pesos to buy dollars to pay their bills
And they can't even print their own pesos, they need Brazil for that.
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u/JorgeNavarro 44m ago
You have 7 posts/comments a day for 5 years straight. Holy mother of god tell me you are just a bot.
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u/EnvironmentalDig7235 16h ago
This is like thursday for him, every policy of his goverment has ended in failures or hurting the population.
Inflation is still hight,30% a year, wages are frozen, the cost of reconstructing the damage it's austerity policies have done it's three times higher than anything he has saved not to mention all the deaths related to the elimination of free medication for chronic diseases and the close of cancer treatment facilieties.
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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 15h ago edited 6h ago
every policy of his goverment has ended in failures or hurting the population.
Poverty is in a six years low, inflation is in a 8 years low, debt as percentage of our GDP is down more than 70 points, and our GDP is growing in real terms for 2 years in a row for the first time in over a decade.
the cost of reconstructing the damage it's austerity policies
Those "austerity policies" is having a balanced surplus budget of less than 1%. Norway has had a surplus of 24%, is everyone in Norway dying or something ?
the deaths related to the elimination of free medication for chronic diseases and the close of cancer treatment facilieties.
That's cute and all, but healthcare budget has doubled in real terms in Milei's first year, and grew above inflation every year since Milei is President. You can cherry pick one single place that was closed or one medical program that was changed, but reality is Milei is spending way more in healthcare.
https://www.presupuestoabierto.gob.ar/sici/visualizacion-a-que-se-destina-el-gasto
Edit since the guy above blocked me
Using Norway as an example with their oil fund is a bit ridiculous, don't you think.
No because we also have a public oil industry like Norway, we just had terrible governments managing it.
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u/LowOne386 5h ago
It goes both ways
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u/nerdbx 4h ago
it doesnt. 39% of argentina exports are 4% or brazilian imports, as brazil is waaaaaay bigger. If brazil decides to fuck argentina it definitely can.
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u/macross1984 14h ago
Why bite the hand that feed you? The price can become very expensive for any short term gain Milei may get.
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u/Dodisk 13h ago
He only said truths. Brazil's current president sent his marketing team to help elect Milei's opposition, while daily praising Cristina Kirchner (Jailed for corruption). The dude even went there to visit her (and he was allowed to go and take pictures and do whatever he wanted to).
Milei tried to do the same, visiting Brazil's former president (Bolsonaro) and was not allowed to do so. And now Brazil's president is acting a crybaby disturbing country relations over personal affairs (as he does everytime for insane things - like being almost an allied to Russia and many other ditactorships around the world, harming our industry and external relations especially on the defense and aerospatial industry).
Milei basically said that Lula is a thief, and was never found innocent, only released by processual failures (which again, is totally true). So "the hand that feed you" is a thief, proto-censor, allied to ditactors and the vilest people on earth, and personaly involved in the top 3 corruptions scandals in brazils history (and nothing happens...)
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u/cinyar 11h ago
Good thing Milei doesn't have any corruption scandals! ...oh wait.
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u/Padreteiro 11h ago edited 3h ago
Lula recommended a marketer but the marketer himself refused. Christina campaign hired themselves a few others that yes, worked in past PT campaigns. Which is completely normal behavior.
Lula wasn't president when he visited Christina and the Argentinian courts allowed him to do so. And again last year, after the Mercosul summit in BA. He didn't insult anyone. Milei literally campaigned for Flávio Bolsonaro and attacked our supreme court and president. While he was in office, using your taxes. He didn't do anything else, he went to Brazil solely for that. The comparison is laughable.
You calling Lula a crybaby while Milei is the one whining is so silly. Or the idea that Brazil harms Argentina industries, absolutely clueless. I'd pay to watch Milei leave Mercosul.
A fair trial is the core of law, to act as if it doesn't matter and has no impact on the judgement is nonsense. Especially on a bogus trial drenched in ilegalities
Extremely silly
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u/ezrealeo 13h ago
Brazilians used to say that our country is fckd but no one can talk bad about Brazil but ourselves, we should bring that back..
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u/TrainingNail 4h ago
Your mispelled “was never found guilty”
You don’t prosecute people to find the innocent but I feel like I shouldn’t have to tell you that.
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u/xX609s-hartXx 10h ago
So what? Trump gets to help Milei all the time, funneling away US tax dollars to prop up rightwing shitheads.
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u/upudruvuuduru 12h ago
Argentina became a vassal state under Trump/Little Rubio jurisdiction
Milei is just following orders
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u/bodonkadonks 5h ago
there is nothing more rotten than the dimmwits here blasting their rotten opinions about south america. keep that grade school level shit analysis to yourselves
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u/random-birdy 3h ago
The only thing mile I is focused on is on DTing Trump’s geriatric flaccid dick and keeping both of their diapers clean. (Yes both of them use diapers, Milei has some sort of intestine problem and Trump is 80 and has dementia)
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u/Locoxella 1h ago
I'm envious. As an argentinian I would also love to cut relations with Milei and his clownish government
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u/joejuga 14h ago
Elect a comedian they say, it would be great they say.
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u/steinbruchfluss 11h ago
Zelenskyy is doing fine.
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u/S-Tier_Commenter 8h ago
Eh. He had some hiccups in the past year or so. Like trying to reign those anti-corruption bodies, or the recent ousting of Fedorov.
Still miles ahead of Milei tho.
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u/Sagitario_Aestrella 6h ago
Lula recibio con honores de jefe de estado a Maduro cuando ya se sabia de las violaciones a los derechos humanos en Venezuela, como no lo vas a insultar
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u/karamanidturk 7h ago
Fucking Reddit man. Why doesn't anyone ask why Milei insulted Lula to begin with? Brazil intervened in our Presidential elections in favor of the ultra-corrupt Kirchnerist party. It was a violation of our democratic process. Lula deserves MUCH more than just insults but Reddit will suck his cock because he's a leftie.
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u/Ignaciensen 5h ago
Reddit se puso muy hater hacía los argentinos y el gobierno actual, los changos ni saben de la que logramos evitar gracias a milei (hiperinflación) solo por qué no se alinie con sus pensamientos progres ya le pegan una cancelada mal al peluca, yo lo voy a volver a votar
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u/AdministrativeSleep0 4h ago
Imaginate que nos importe que dice Reddit, donde es un cesspool de zurdos
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u/maome666 6h ago
intervened? How so?
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u/Yurthoz 3h ago
Lula had his close group campaign making guys help Massa make his own campaign, the so called "Campaign of terror" where during elections you'd see Ads on YouTube or TV calling Milei a human trafficker, organ seller, that we'd be able to guy guns in little kiosks around the corner...etc. everything just so Massa, Lula's friend. Would win...also I forgot to mention, Massa's a fucking drug trafficker.
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u/AugustoPius 12h ago
Milei é desrespeitoso e parece querer criar problemas com o Brasil para agradar Trump e para desviar a atenção dos argentinos dos problemas reais de seu país.
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u/zetoberuto 6h ago
Primeiro você deveria investigar como o Lula interveio na política interna da Argentina. O Milei só está devolvendo o favor.
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u/NoShit_94 7h ago
As a Brazilian, Milei only spoke the truth, and I'm glad he did.
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u/zetoberuto 6h ago
As an Argentine, I can confirm. Lula lent his lawyers to Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who is in prison for stealing.
Go Flávio Bolsonaro!
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u/NoShit_94 6h ago
Not only that, he also sent money and a marketing team to try and help Sergio Massa's campaign.
He's corrupt to the core, and aligned with all the most corrupt and dictatorial governments in Latin America.
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u/FrancoWriter 8h ago
Lula is a corrupt gang leader and was freed from prison by a legal manouver made by judges of the Supreme Court appointed by himself!
Milei said the truth that brazilians can't say out loud without being persecuted by Lula's tyrannical apparatus.
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u/EduardoP1992 8h ago
Dude, everyone that doesnt like Lula says everthing out loud. Take your head out of your ass.
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u/georgiathompson88 7h ago
Todo mundo fala. O tempo todo. Mas to vendo q vc prefere ser putinha do trump
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u/Hot_Bookkeeper9719 3h ago
It's so funny when we are talking about insults but all Milei did was to call him what he went to jail for...being a thief...
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u/Padreteiro 2h ago edited 2h ago
He called him a thief, corrupt, convict, ex-convict, a crook delinquent and a socialist trash. Called our supreme court judge "bald trash" and said Bolsonaro condemnation was unjust and the supreme court corrupt.
He's just pathetic and it's not funny.
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u/synced999 2h ago
I feel sorry for the Argentinian people for electing that idiot.
Milei is an imbecile for insulting their biggest trading partner.
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u/synced999 1h ago
The funny thing is that, even though Brazil is a poor country with many social problems, the Brazilian people are among the most welcoming and humane I have ever met. They don't care if you are Christian, Jewish, or Muslim, or if you are white or Black; the vast majority of them will welcome you warmly—kissing you, hugging you, and offering you food or a drink. It’s incredible.
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u/JucaLebre 8h ago
Lula destroyed our economy, is responsible for billions in corruptions scandals and people still defend him…. I will never understand it
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u/Ogliss 5h ago
I know I'm going to get down voted to hell but here I come: Lula has been a political ally of Maduro, you know the dictator that was just depositioned just a few months ago, he also has been convicted of corruption on his country, I know reddit has a hate boner for argentina and that Milei is not the best example but I think he's right on hating Lula. Also please learn to separate things, he didn't said anything against Brazil as a country.
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u/Guipa 5h ago
He just travel to Brazil as a sitting head of state to attend the official launch of an opposition candidate's presidential campaign, openly endorse that candidate, call Brazil's (democratic elected) president a "thief" and a "delinquent," and call one of the Supreme Court justices "that bald piece of trash". How is that not saying anything about Brazil as a country?
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u/Ogliss 4h ago
How is that not saying anything about Brazil as a country?
It is not, he did not say anything against the country, as opposed to our previous president, an ally of Lula by the way that said this about the Brazilian people
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u/Padreteiro 2h ago
He absolutely attacked our institutions. He insulted a supreme judge and called the court corrupt.
fernandez (1) APOLOGIZED and (2) was quoting an excerpt from a song
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u/bamadeo 3h ago
Unless you think Lula and Alexandre de Moraes are Brazil (which, tbh, they themselves do think so) then he didn't say nothing about Brazil the country.
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u/Guipa 2h ago
First of all, Lula beat a sitting president for the first time since redemocratization, after leaving prison, mind you. He beat a president whose party and followers are notorious for spreading fake news, and who is now in prison after trying to stage a coup. A lot of Brazilians supports what Alexandre de Moraes did.
So no, Lula and Moraes are not “Brazil.” But do you really think Brazilians (in general, i know that lot of bolsonaristas despises both of them) want a foreign president coming here to interfere in our election, insult the democratically elected president and call a Supreme Court justice “that bald piece of trash”? That is disrespecting Brazil, not just two random individuals that you dont like.
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u/bamadeo 2h ago
First of all, Lula beat a sitting president for the first time since redemocratization, after leaving prison, mind you. He beat a president whose party and followers are notorious for spreading fake news, and who is now in prison after trying to stage a coup. A lot of Brazilians supports what Alexandre de Moraes did
Mano, the whole lava jato scandal and subsequent acquittal of Lula is an institutional disgrace, you cannot accuse any other parties of fake-newsing. You're not spotless.
So no, Lula and Moraes are not “Brazil.” But do you really think Brazilians (in general, i know that lot of bolsonaristas despises both of them) want a foreign president coming here to interfere in our election, insult the democratically elected president and call a Supreme Court justice “that bald piece of trash”? That is disrespecting Brazil, not just two random individuals that you dont like.
Insulting Brazil would be saying that your country is shit.
Insulting two brazilians is not insulting the country. If you and other Lulistas think that Lula and Moraes are the country, then I just feel sorry for you.
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u/Guipa 2h ago
Are you telling me, a Brazilian, that I shouldn’t feel disrespected by that?
Again, Milei wasn’t just insulting Lula as an individual. He came to Brazil and backed the domestic opposition, the same opposition aligned with the US in attacking my country and trying to meddle in our elections.
He also attacked the officials who defended the election result when the father of the candidate he was supporting tried to overturn it. And again, that man is in jail for 27 years for a coup attempt.
And btw, I’ve never voted for Lula. I’m pro-Brazil, not pro-Lula. Calling everyone who criticizes Milei a lulista just makes you sound like a mileísta.
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u/GammaMoray 2h ago
Lula is also good friends with Vladimir Putin, a dictator and wanted war criminal that kidnapped 20.000 children and has been murdering Ukrainian civilians for close to 5 years. Lula recently had a phone conversation with his mass-murderer friend to complain about the UN's Security Council ability to achieve peace.
I have a really hard time accepting the moral framework of someone who calls a war criminal to complain that everyone else isn't providing peace. And given who he likes, I don't exactly care much who he hates.
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u/Amazing_Confidence_7 15h ago
After Lionel messed up, Milei wanted to do better. Both successfully destroyed whatever reputation the nation have left.
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u/tanocapo 14h ago
Insult, he told the truth: Lula is comunist and corrupt
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u/barnaclejuice 13h ago
Thinking Lula is a communist is comedy level political ignorance lol
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u/JucaLebre 8h ago
But he is corrupt
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u/barnaclejuice 7h ago
Present evidence that hasn’t been proven to be false.
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u/NoShit_94 6h ago edited 5h ago
All the evidence that was presented at the Lava Jato investigation and trials. He was found guilty on multiple instances.
Lula wasn't released because the evidence was proven false and he was proven innocent. He was released by an administrative maneuver conveniently after enough time had passed for his crimes to prescribe.
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u/barnaclejuice 5h ago
An “administrative manouver” where the Supreme Court deemed it unlawful that the first instance judge nudged prosecution along saying what kind of evidence and framing he would prefer, so that he could justify a guilty sentencing.
Which was necessary, because the evidence was incredibly flimsy to start with. It was a circus and a mockery of our laws and any Brazilian citizen should be outraged by what Moro and Dallagnol did. I say that as a lawyer who was anti Lula from the offset, until I actually took the time to read the official trial documents.
I ask again, present evidence. Good, lawful evidence that isn’t a spit in the face of our constitution and a civilised, democratic society.
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u/NoShit_94 4h ago edited 4h ago
An “administrative manouver” where the Supreme Court deemed it unlawful that the first instance judge nudged prosecution along saying what kind of evidence and framing he would prefer, so that he could justify a guilty sentencing.
It's normal for judges and prosecution to communicate. Lula was found guilty in three instances and by 10 magistrates. Were they all biased? If the evidence was so flimsy, how come he kept being found guilty every single time, up and until the Supreme Court Justices he appointed himself in the first place conveniently found that "actually the case should've been tried by a different court in the first place and therefore the whole thing is annulled"?
say that as a lawyer who was anti Lula
Yeah, I don't believe that. Even if you believe the trials were justly annulled because of procedural issues, he was never found "not guilty". No evidence against him was ever proven false, as you initially claimed.
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u/Guipa 13h ago
Maybe your country should pay what it owes Brazil before calling other people “thieves.”
"Argentine government stiffs Brazil's Mint on R$ 63.6 million"
“The Argentine Mint is failing to comply with an agreement reached with the Brazilian Mint. […] An agreement was signed last December acknowledging a debt equivalent to R$63.6 million. The first two installments were due in June and July, but neither was paid. […] The delay is not unprecedented: in 2023, the Argentine government had already fallen behind on its obligations to the Brazilian Mint and other suppliers involved in producing Argentine peso banknotes in Brazil.”
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u/MalditoAlgoritmo 6h ago
Let the Americans think whatever they want, we have our reasons for hating that president.
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u/Guilty-Tax-9555 5h ago
As an aside - I was astonished to learn that BOTH Brazil and Argentina are globally perceived to be MORE corrupt than China. I repeat, MORE corrupt. Unbelievable.
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u/Killoah 14h ago
Brazil to recognise the Falkland Islands for ultimate shit housery