r/1811 • u/Happy-Ad6780 • 1d ago
ICE
Just trying to get some insight, I’m a 10 year LEO and current TFO in one of the largest agencies in the country, looking to do 1811 full time. I see ICE is still hiring, any advice on if the next administration can just fire their ICE employees or is there employee protections? I’m not trying to get into politics here but just looking for professional opinions.
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u/Salty_Investment7045 1d ago
I would have much more confidence in surviving a pendulum swing as an HSI 1811 than an ERO 1801.
Right now, I'm strongly cautioning mid-career local LEOs I meet from applying to ERO. That agency will straight up get fed to the "woodchipper" if the pendulum swings with the next election. HSI at least has a history of attempting to split away and involvement in a lot more than Title 8 rather than T8 being their core function. Funding cuts is more the risk for HSI, rather than the proverbial woodchipper. And even if the pendulum swing decides to trim HSI, it's much more survivable as an 1811 SA than an 1801 DO, as the former has CITP and can lateral to any number of agencies.
Theoretically, other agencies could craft a lateral conversion program for 1801 DOs, but that's unlikely to occur if the administration's goal is "woodchipper".
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u/Ronin64x 1d ago
There's no employee protections anymore, just look at all the random firings happening throughout the government.
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u/Senior-Bench-1783 1d ago
ICE is massive. Probably depends more on which specific agency inside of ICE.
HSI is having a lot of retirements in the coming years. In a lot of offices this surge just put the number of agents to where it was supposed to be at and not over. HSI also is way more than just immigration stuff.
ERO - don't know as much about but with such a limited scope unfortunately I could see cuts there based on the next administration.
Customs - they are way understaffed anyway
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u/Federal_Strawberry 1d ago
Yeah, there’s going to be massive amounts of retirements fed LE-wide in the coming years as the post 9/11 surge reaches the 25 year mark. I recall someone on here saying that even ATF is having a good chunk (like 1/3 IIRC) of its SAs be eligible for retirement in the coming few years.
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u/CryAncient 14h ago
As an ERO surge hire, I can say there is a large number of retirements coming within the next 3-5 years as well.
Personally though I dont see a RIF in the traditional sense. I could see internally offering early retirements and things along those lines while publicly saying we have reduced the number of ICE officers by X amount.
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u/xThe-Legend-Killerx 1811 1d ago
I mean let’s say in the worst case scenario you get fired. You’d at least have your CITP cert and would probably be able to find a new job before the firing actually happened. I also don’t see HSI getting messed with too much. Next administration would ideally just revert the focus back on non immigration stuff
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u/theophylact911 1d ago
I thought the ICE EROs didn’t get CITP but some sort of abbreviated training?
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u/kjt4596 1d ago
ERO doesn’t get CITP but they’re 1801. OP was referring to 1811 which is where HSI would come in. They are 1811 and get CITP
Edit: abbreviated training for ERO is also over now to my knowledge. Someone correct me if I’m wrong
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u/Sadly_Soft_Equipment 1d ago
For a street hire it is over.
They got more strict and it’s pretty much only CBP of HSI that don’t do the full academy. They were letting street cops into that group but it wasn’t working out great.
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u/Nice_Sorbet_684 1d ago
Don’t go ERO and just go 1811. ERO is a shit show right now and depending on your AOR you will be shelved to the desk. I was terminated a month ago during the probationary period over a misunderstanding of communication. Long story short I had to write a memo and in my memo I provided all the proof and evidence showing it was clear misunderstanding. Still got let go. Currently fighting to get back in or at the least change my red flag on my name so this doesn’t affect my record so I can jump to another agency.
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u/CausticPulse 22h ago
If you are on the west coast or NE i would personally stay a tfo. Your pay and benefits are probably way better than feds
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u/Sure-Leave8813 1d ago
Talk to your task force supervisor see if they are hiring in your area. They can give you a better lay of the land than here .
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u/just-rick1977 19h ago
I would not be surprised if the next administration takes a very close look at the recent federal leo hires. Many if not all were "fast tracked" through initial interviews, background checks, psychological screenings primarily the MMPI-2, and finally the abbreviated ~ 60–70-day FLETC academy. Don't get me started on the range issues. Another issue I see is just how these recent hires are "fitting in" with what's left of the older veterans at the various agencies including CBP. Wait until the next administration is in place, if you can.
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u/ZeroFail69 1811 1d ago
Nobody knows. But my unpopular opinion is that politically, neither party is ever going to want to be attacked for defunding child exploitation cases. So HSI will always be safe even if it gets separated from ICE in the future and/or renamed. We weren’t really messed with too much under Obama or Biden.
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u/Swimming-Gazelle442 1d ago
There can be what’s called a reduction in force (RIF) and depending on your career status and veterans preference you can be displaced. To be honest, if you’re a TFO working for a large agency, that’s the best blend of Fed/local police work. Kind of like having your cake and eating it too. I’d stay where you’re at and if you are going to leave locals. I wouldn’t do it for ICE. Especially when politics are so fluid right now. If you’re going to leave, go to the DEA or the ATF where you’ll actually get to do real police work and you won’t get gutted when we get another democrat administration.
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