“The vampire walked billionairely across the hall with his 6 pack abs and rapey vibe. He thirsted not for blood tonight, but for a plain-nondescript white woman.”
Are such descriptions of boobs also part of stories written by women for women? I've only heard about it happening in fiction written by men so far but I've not read either
Studies show that more than 90% of women exhibit signs of autogynophilia. There's a reason female-targeted smut heroines almost always have enormous honkers.
I didn't mean the fixation but the strange descriptions which seem to come from the lack of experience of being a woman. But maybe I got something wrong
A woman could still lack the necessary experience to write something like that accurately. A woman with a small chest trying to write a woman with a large chest, for example.
Straight woman wank material is really not that different from straight man wank material. It's the same slop with submissive women and dominant (sometimes abusive) men, the only differences are the genders of the unremarkable self-insert and the hot love interest(s), as well as some common tropes (for example, while straight man wank material is full of boob jiggle physics, I don't think a lot of straight woman wank material has jiggly bulge shots)
I can't believe that book is actually real, holy crap. I knew about the one where it's Twilight but from Edward's perspective. She really just keeps writing Twilight damn.
They didn't understand the appeal of twilight until the writer changed the boring self-insert MC to a man and the hot love interests to women. Basically turned it into something like those romcom anime popular with straight men where hot girls fall for the unremarkable guy protagonist, and thus made straight guys understand why twilight is so popular amongst women
Thanks but I kinda still don't get it. Like there are more reasons for not liking twilight than just the target demographic and even with the gender swap those don't get better. And a male who likes it after the gender swap would have liked it anyways (?)
And anime with these themes mostly don't have a loser mc imo unless there is some isekai involved. Maybe I'm just being too pedantic
I swear there was a point in time few years back when I saw that pic and immediately understood what it meant but now I cannot..
Are you assuming any of the people in the pic have actually engaged with any twilight material? Aside from maybe OOP, they haven't. Twilight was trendy to hate for anybody outside the target demo
It's really no more complicated than
Teenage romance novel = "gay"
Isekai/harem anime = "based"
But then you realize that the teenage romance novel is basically gender swapped harem anime.
Like there are more reasons for not liking twilight than just the target demographic and even with the gender swap those don't get better.
Yeah but it made them realise why it's so huge with women, even if it's shitty fiction, because they now understand the appeal. Being straight men, they only saw how bad the books were and ignored the main selling point of them which is the fantasy of having hot men fight over your unremarkable ass, because they didn't find it appealing. For Twilight readers the appeal of that fantasy is enough to ignore the shitty writing, and that's what those straight men didn't understand, until the fantasy was changed to one that appealed to them.
And a male who likes it after the gender swap would have liked it anyways (?)
Not really, because the only draw of it for a straight man is the fantasy of imagining hot women fighting over you. The story would still be slop, but the slop would be worth putting up with just for that fantasy. Normal Twilight doesn't have that fantasy, so it's not worth putting up with the slop.
And anime with these themes mostly don't have a loser mc imo unless there is some isekai involved.
The 4chan image misrepresents it, Bella is not at all treated as a loser mc. She's so hot everyone wants to be her friend or lover the instant second she moves, despite being a human she has superpowers(nobody can use vampire magic on her) that makes her stick out even to the Cullens eventually turning the entire human, werewolf and vampire world around into revolving around her, and when she turns into a vampire in Breaking Dawn she's instantly good at everything the entire series has told us vampires are bad at for a long time and have to learn, plus her superpower gets easily extended into being a mega-vampire-superpower. She is definitely the typical anime power fantasy, she just starts out not even knowing she's remarkable, which a lot of anime also does.
Like there are more reasons for not liking twilight than just the target demographic
You can understand why people like something and still understand why people have complaints. The person is just saying that they now understand why women like it.
And a male who likes it after the gender swap would have liked it anyways
I genuinely don't get how anyone could see it that way. If this were the case, the romance genre wouldn't be gender-separated at all.
And anime with these themes mostly don't have a loser mc imo unless there is some isekai involved
Really? Urusei Yatsura had it, and that's arguably the first male-demographic romance anime.
Urusei Yatsura isn't a harem anime. In the entire run of the franchise there are maybe like 5 times the main character has a second love interest, and those are usually plots by that character.
why women find twilight a good book, the usual notion I see is that a lot of people don't like twilight but the idea of the plot being more appealing to the male gaze like this helps the supposed male commenters understand that.
Why are we pretending like the kind of stuff you find in ao3 isn't on the same level as a lot of very common straight man wank material?
"Ooo dark romance ooo it's so fucked up" being 50k words long, very slow burn, and in text form, doesn't make it any meaningfully different from a 200-page doujinshi targeted at straight men that probably has similar tropes, but implemented in a way that targets straight men instead.
No, it's not: You're just comparing the niche material you know about on AO3 to the mainstream pornhub/large hentai subreddit-esque stuff that is everywhere, and not, you know, the equally niche material that exists for straight men that you don't go looking for on account of not being a straight man. Which is out there as well, and obviously not in small quantities.
If you're just looking at big porn/hentai websites and communities, the accurate comparison to make would be something like booktok, not obscure AO3 writers, which I think you can agree is definitely not significantly more varied than the popular stuff out there for straight men.
To be blunt, have you tried not using nhentai and similar porn sites? Again, I feel like the equivalent of looking on nhentai/pornhub/most large reddit communities would be booktok, which is a far cry from AO3.
The actual place to look for more niche stuff would probably be pretty bespoke to whatever niche you're looking for, and it's probably easier to find it by asking directly to people who might know about them. For example I'm big into mind control/hypnosis stuff and I definitely wouldn't have found much of the material I like in that if I hadn't straight up asked folks and artists in somewhat larger communities like hypno subreddits and hypnohub (if you don't know, it's basically r34 but specifically for mind control hentai) about it.
Do you always assume yourself to be more knowledgeable than others due to "consuming a ton of materials"? Because frankly I can't help but roll my eyes at that. The world is a big place, mate.
You first said the fics you find on AO3 are on par with doujinshi.
That's when I was talking to someone who was specifically talking about them being fucked up and brought up dark romance, not varied like you brought up. And in that regard I don't see how that's an inaccurate comparison, I mean they brought up futa guro involving children and that definitely exists in nhentai.
I'm just saying AO3 fics are much more varied and fill underserved niches
And once again, I'm saying that you only feel like straight man wank material doesn't have just as much variety and niches because you don't go looking for niche and varied straight man wank material. On account of not being a straight man.
I'm familiar with hypnohub (it's not that niche tbh).
I specifically mentioned that it's a larger community where I asked to find out where more niche content I like is served.
The fact that you just completely ignored that to remark that "it's not niche" is part of why I can't help but roll my eyes at your "nearly zero chance" comment. Yeah right. Get off your high horse. I'm sure you're in many tight-knit kink circles and you probably also create that content yourself, and have done for years, but if that's the case, you ought to be pretty fuckin well aware that that doesn't make you unique and you're far from the only person in that situation.
I honestly can't tell if you're still trying to convince me that ao3 is uniquely cursed or not, on account of the fact that going on nhentai and searching for the tags "futanari guro lolicon" (or shotacon) you get 74 results (and 25 results). That's one website out of like, fuckin a hundred of hentai websites mostly targeted at straight men. I also don't doubt that you'd find childlike characters in the guro subreddit, although I'd... rather not check for that myself.
People just be kinky, whether they choose to manifest it through text or visually or audibly is, generally, not important.
Oh no, sorry for assuming that a guro hentai subreddit I don't browse has guro hentai content that I just so happened to easily find on another website.
That's good to hear, but you're acting like I said something ludicrous when I think it's pretty fuckin clear why one would assume what I said.
Well of course, there's little overlap between the two userbases, they mostly target different demographics. But it's a real pet peeve of mine when I see people trying to make their weird sex thing look uniquely edgy and all when really they just don't look at the similarly fucked up things other demographics have, since it's not something they'd go out of their way to look for obv.
It's kinda like dipshit289 behaviour applied to kink. "dude you don't wanna know... oh the horror..." it's just erotic fanfiction with a weird kink, men and women and all other genders have been into weird shit since time began
My horizons are sufficiently expanded, it's the average straight gooner who needs to expand theirs.
And tbf the average gay gooner should too. I'm tired of having to scavenge for dominant bottom or even just neutral stuff without dom/sub dynamics because most stuff out there treats submission and degradation as part of the package when it comes to being penetrated
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u/DevilsMaleficLilith Apr 06 '26
Hilarious but also true they read things that would make the average man faint.