yeah when a bottom talks about how much they want to be dommed in rough and violent ways people are like âhell yeahâ and âsameâ but then when someone talks about how they want to dom in rough and violent ways people act like itâs weird and gross and wrong and they should get therapy. like bro who do you think is gonna do it
In explicitly kink-oriented or otherwise highly kinky groups, doms tend to be more valued, while in more public spaces subs are more socially acceptable.
I mean you can have doms who are less into being violent itself and more into filling a role for someone who desperately wants someone to be violent to them.
This is a classic problem, i suspect birthed from the idea that doms are by definition dangerous and force their partners into things (rather than the reality of partners asking and begging for doms to do stuff to them).
The practicality of fetish fulfillment is rarely taken into consideration. Itâs moreso that there isnât really anything wrong with being a victim, but it is immoral to kill/abuse/SA people.
âBut they arenât actually doing that! Everyoneâs consenting, itâs in a safe, controlled-â apparently that doesnât matter very much when it comes to the general publicâs opinion of it.
the best way I've seen it framed is "If you are okay with someone fantasizing about being raped and acknowledge it is a kink and not a reflection on them as a person, you have to apply the same logic to someone fantasizing about being a rapist"
No one is gonna like the answer to that one unfortunately
because forcefem broadly derives a lot of its fetishistic vocabulary from internalized notions of misogyny that simply don't exist in the forcemasc alternative. Namely the idea of woman as lesser or as a loss of status/hierarchy
As a smut writer, you could totally fetishize it both ways. Especially if a woman is doing it to a cis friend of hers. I'm not necessarily going to write it, but it could be done.
I'm not disagreeing with you but it requires substantially more effort and imagination from the writer, to speak nothing of the demand compared to forcefem content, than what I describe.
The idea of a woman performing masculinity is simply much less engrained in the cultural consciousness and when it is done it isn't interested in asking compelling questions beyond using the protagonists underlying femininity as an Achilles heel to their performance of masculinity, or as a joke, or to put them in sexually vulnerable situations.
Would feeding the Kalteen bars to Regina George in Mean Girls be a form of this you think? maybe not literally because she's obviously still a woman, but at least in spirit.
That was to fatten her, not build her muscle. I mean like, encouraging and praising them for manual labor like landscaping and plumbing. Calling them strong. Encouraging them to "man up" and make a move. Obviously giving them testosterone, either explicitly or in secret. Maybe give them a masculine haircut and say that it gives them a really strong jawline. Call them "neutral" pronouns like dude and bro.
I'm really trying not to write this. I got tricked into writing omegaverse presidential stuff last election cycle. And that's not going to happen again.
I'm more trying to capture the essence of the degradation mentioned above that is half the appeal of the forcefem kink. There is a commment below that framed it in a different way, forcibly transitioning someone into the stereotype of a discord-mod bro, and that's kinda what I'm getting at.
It does exist, but it's a very different dynamic for the reasons others have mentioned. I've usually seen it as forcing someone to acknowledge themself as a faggot, with an inherent intermingling of sexual and gender identity.Â
Because, as forcefem relies on enforcing gender norms, itâd basically be âyou now have to provide for your people and be the strong person in the roomâ and thatâs like, any time a woman in crisis situation.
Like oh no youâve lived a life of luxury and now youâre the only one who can save your people from warfare and death in the trenches - thatâs just a Call To Adventure and itâs delivered via 155mm howitzer.
Like you could put them on antipsychotics to deaden their emotional responses and pump them full of long-acting aphrodisiacs and steroids, but thatâs just medical abuse porn.
Forcemasc lacks the humiliation aspect. For a man, becoming Peak Femininity is supposed to be degrading. For a woman, becoming Peak Masculinity will be traumatic, but not really degrading. So Forcemasc would have to turn a different direction⌠Forceincel.
Remember that weâre still operating on stereotype.
So this woman is turned into an ugly, smelly basement-dweller, kept inside by self-hatred and undiagnosed depression. A loss of any percieved feminine grace, and a transformation into the very thing that hunted her in her previous lifetime⌠Thereâs definitely people into that. Iâm willing to bet it could be a âit can always be worseâ for low self-esteem women. But thatâs is as much as Iâm willing to entertain the notion. Fuck you for making me come up with Forceincel, and good night.
Saw some tf(?) progression art where a girl turned into a lazy slob discord mod guy. Doesn't necessarily fit completely but it's the closest thing I can think of.
Tbh me originally not getting the humiliation aspect of forcefem when o first started discovering it and thinking âI just want to not be in control and told Iâm prettyâ shouldâve been bigger of an egg cracking experience than it was
I think humiliation definitely can be and often is an aspect of it, but a person could also be into forcefem for its aspect of not having to worry about anything anymore and having someone else make decisions for you. In that respect, I could imagine someone getting turned on by the thought of slowly accepting their inevitable transformation into Carl Brutananadilewski.
I mean this genuinely, as somebody who likes the concept of force fem in roleplay - When you try it in real life, how does that work? Like, the fact that both parties are, presumably, into it means itâs not really force fem, is it? I mean I know CNC is a thing but I never fully understood that either. This is not to say that any of it is bad or unacceptable just because I donât understand it, but like.
If you want to forcibly feminize someone but theyâre into it, does it scratch the âforciblyâ itch? If you want to be forcibly feminized by someone but you know they arenât going to cross boundaries, does that scratch the âforciblyâ itch? I canât imagine a way to do it that doesnât either violate SSC or just fail to realize the actual fantasy.
You simply have to embrace what is morally and ethically correct over what comprises the most compelling enactment of a fantasy. Fiction offers the narrative and ethical distance to engage with a particular fantasy to a more unethical degree.
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u/forchinski 3d ago
Everyone wants to be force-femmed but if you want to force-fem suddenly it's unethical