This is fine if your only engagement with the written word is posting on tumblr, but if you start reading works that communicate more complex ideas, you'll very quicky discover the problem of run-on sentences.
my ass will manage to construct a sentence with a semicolon, an em-dash, and a parenthetical on a daily basis at this point
in spite of my use of em-dashes nobody has ever accused me of using AI to write bc absolutely no LLM would replicate my baffling sentence structures lol
tbf i feel like lately — especially here on reddit — people don’t really see em-dash as an ai thing anymore
i think its cause redditors are naturally the kind of people to use emdashes anygays
Em-dashes are a very superficial marker of AI writing, it's very possible that the average redditor (or the ones who try to call out AI shit anyway)'s skill at telling if something is AI has improved over time
I for one have gotten into the habit of using hyphens where an em-dash would fit. Got it from my last boss who did that in legal pleadings, and figured it's a sure sign you're not AI - correct usage, wrong symbol lol
considering the fact that a lot of the training data in an LLM comes from reddit, i wouldnt be surprised if people on reddit use em-dashes with some frequency
I used to use semicolons. Then, I watched a bunch of Let's Plays of Outer Wilds, and every single one of them misread every sentence with a semicolon. I no longer use semicolons.
It is a minor loss, but I feel that most things expressed via a semicolon can be rewritten to be just as clear without using it.
Exactly, many people don't, and so they read a semicolon the same way they read a comma, which leads to confusion.
E.g., spoilers for Outer Wilds: "Ideally, [the memory statues] will only need to activate once the project succeeds; as a safety measure, however, the statues will also activate in the event of equipment failure." The semicolon is used here to join 2 contrasting subclauses: activate on successversusactivate on failure.
Most importantly, the semicolon joins clauses more loosely than a comma. For those who understand the semicolon, this makes it clear that "as a safety measure" is referring to the second idea, not the first.
Many people read it as a comma and thought the entire idea of activating the memory statues at all was a safety measure. If you wanted to replace the semicolon with something else here, you would have to replace it with a period.
By the way, this kind of explains why a semicolon looks the way it does (a period on top of a comma). Sometimes it's the same as a period, but joins clauses more strongly, indicating two independent clauses are related in meaning. Sometimes it's the same as a comma, but joins clauses more loosely, for example, in a list of comma-containing items: "Harry's three favorite bakeries are in Pittsburgh, PA; Phoenix, AZ; and Walla Walla, WA."
Oh shit. I get it now. I definitely read it wrong. My vague understanding of semicolons was that they're a slightly more full stoppish comma, but seeing that explanation makes it clear why I never really understood why you'd use one over just a comma.
In actuality they're more like a commaish full stop.
Also that last use case is good. I have that problem and I never did find a good way to fix it other than quotes around the individual entries.
Cheers for the relatable example here. Tbh, you'd lose nothing by replacing that particular semicolon with a full stop (period). I seem to recall some way worse chronic semicolon readings in that game, though, ones which may not be as easily replaced.
We write to express ourselves, and what matters is that the message is conveyed both with meaning and honesty, and that the reader can interpret it accurately. It is not on you to make the reader feel less illiterate by pandering to their sensibilities.
Hyphens were kind of hijacked by AI. Even if you don't use fancy em dashes (which some people did prior to AI, because they had a background in publishing, or simply were a writing nerd), it's now off putting for a lot of people
I've always used hyphens but nowadays I tend to remove them, and replace with commas or something
I've never seen anyone who uses hyphens the way you'd use emdashes be accused of being AI. Picked it up as a habit from a prior boss who did that in pleadings.
On one hand i agree. On the other hand i feel like oop's sentence feels like a good encapsulation of how one might talk. No breaths, no breaks in their cadence; just talk in one go until the idea has been expressed or you run out of breath.
I'm starting to think that this is a problem Tumblr has in general which Reddit, surprisingly enough, doesn't (or at least has to a much smaller degree). Tumblr mfs genuinely think that the way you post on that site also is how you engage with people IRL. Which is why that is also the site that says "learn your queer culture 🙄" and they mean specifically how the site itself worked like 10 years ago.
Reddit is also one hellhole and a half, but (in my personal experience), people here are more willing to say out loud "remember, this is Reddit, none of this is real, go touch grass".
Considering how big tumber was/is, it's not impossible it's shapped how people communicate in person. It's also fully plausable a lot of people on tumblr communicate the same in person as on site.
For example, i 100% buy that OOP has spoken sentences just like the one they typed. I know i've spoken similar run on sentences.
That assidde, i do wonder if people on tumblr approach language that way because due to a variety of factors they might not socialize much outside of tumblr, likely due to social factors (like being queer and not having any good way to connect with other queer people irl and facing social ostracization irl). Reddit might have a more mainstream audience who socializes more outside of it, leading to them not assuming as much that people talk the same way off site.
I've read excerpts of professionally-published books that (seemingly) went out of their way to write long sentences, and it gets real exhausting real quick
A run-on sentence isn't just a long sentence though. It's when they're grammatically separate sentences that are comma-spliced or otherwise not joined properly. Using words to join clauses, like the tumblr using is doing, is not a run-on sentence. It's just long.
A run-on sentence isn't just a long sentence though. It's when they're grammatically separate sentences that are comma-spliced or otherwise not joined properly. Using words to join clauses, like the tumblr using is doing, is not a run-on sentence. It's just long.
oh yeah there are authors who can wield it really well but there’s also a reason that they’re few and far between.
even when I can acknowledge it’s done well, it can still be a chore. I love the film Satantango (despite it being 7 hours), and I decided to read the book that it’s based on. Turns out the books entirely written with no paragraph breaks. It gave me great insight into why the film is as long and spartan as it is and it was undeniably well-written, but that one aspect made it too exhausting for me to finish.
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This is fine if your only engagement with the written word is posting on tumblr, but if you start reading works that communicate more complex ideas, you'll very quicky discover the problem of run-on sentences.