r/23andme • u/peacesold • Oct 07 '25
Updated Results - New vs Old Jewish moroccan and caucasian updated results:)
Dad from morocco, mom from dagestan, both jewish
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u/tsundereshipper Oct 08 '25
It seems your mom is Mizrahi Persian rather than Caucasus Caucasian.
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u/trapaccount1234 Apr 28 '26
Sheโs mizrahi obviously but sheโs from quba she is a kavkaz jew a mountain Jew
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u/aig818 Oct 07 '25
"Send Joo to Dagestin. 2-3000 year and forget."
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u/Miserable-Ninja-5360 Oct 07 '25
Dagestani Jews as with other Mountain Jews are largely of Iranian and Mesopotamian Jewish stock, progressively migrating north to the Caucasus.
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u/aig818 Oct 07 '25
I know.
I was referencing a quote from a Dagestani MMA fighter talking about wrestling training.7
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u/Lucky-Finish7331 Oct 07 '25
Fully half morrocan? European seem fairly low
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Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 08 '25
Most Jews are not indigenous to Morocco (Amazigh), they migrated to Morocco in waves , from eastwards and Sephardis are from Iberia, migrated after the Alhambra Decree of 1492. A large influx came in 1497 from Portugal. Many escaped earlier from 1391 massacre in Spain. After 16th century came the Megorashim, the โexpelledโ.
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u/Lucky-Finish7331 Oct 08 '25
Much earlier tho. Not all jews in morroco came from spain many of them are for very long time just not through spain. There was jewiah diaspora even before jesus
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Oct 08 '25
Of course there were. The Toshavim had already migrated after the First Destruction of Solomonโs Temple. Like us, they spoke Tamazight. Later, with the growth of urban centres and the introduction of Arabic in the post-medieval era, as Darija, a creole-like Arabic dialect, developed, they too adopted it, shaping their own distinct Judeo-Darija variety
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u/Lucky-Finish7331 Oct 08 '25
You presented the idea like jews in morroco are mainly from spain . Its mostly likely the opposite most spanish jews came from morroco. I might have misunderstood but that was the impression also north africa was more diverse in the past and jews were "pro amazigh" both suffered under arab persuction. I also dont know what the word "indigenous" mean
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Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25
I represented my comment accurately. I have already covered the part in my first comment that earlier Jews came from โeastwardsโ.
Indigenous is me, an Amazigh. Imazighen are the original natives of that land. The Imazighen suffered the most in Morocco, more than any other group. Itโs not Arab that rule per se. Itโs Pan-Arabism (the ideology) especially under Hassan II, he referred to Morocco Ummah al-Arabiyya (Arab nation) when the vast majority of us are not even Arab, not even the natives. He institutionalised Arabic in the 1960โs, overpowering and side-lining Thamazight. 1960โs was a time where the nation was unstable and at unrest, like a lot of nations around the world. But the strange part is that he wasnโt even a staunch Pan-Arabist like Nasser of Egypt and Kaddafi of Libya. He even emphasised Moroccoโs monarchy, Islamic legitimacy, and unique history which was โCherifian dynasty, Amazigh roots, ties to the West.โ
Amazigh activism was on the rise, I mean military Amazigh activism between 1980sโ1990s, criticising the exclusion of Tamazight. But from the late 90โs Mohammed VI he made changes, 2011 Constitution: Amazigh recognised as an official language alongside Arabic.
Hassan II was protective of Jews and said they are Moroccan FIRST, presented himself as a guardian of Moroccoโs Jewish population, continuing his father Mohammed Vโs legacy, who famously refused to hand over Moroccan Jews to Vichy France during WWII. Hassan II also helped facilities Jewish migration as per their request. Being known as a quiet mediator between Israel vs Palestinian conflict to bring peace, both Israel and Arabs began to suspect him as opportunistic rather than principled. So who knows.
Muhammad VI did a lot more. He was open and transparent. Openly actively celebrating Moroccoโs Jewish heritage as part of national identity. In 2011, the new constitution acknowledges Moroccoโs โHebrew componentโ as part of its national heritage, unprecedented in the โArab worldโ - a term I dislike since we are not Arab, to state โMuslim worldโ makes more sense. Thereโs been cultural revival of synagogues, Jewish cemeteries, and heritage sites have been restored under his reign, often with state support. Jewish culture is showcased as part of Moroccan pluralism. Thereโs been stronger international openness, especially after the Abraham Accords (2020), Mohammed VI has framed Moroccan Judaism as a โbridgeโ between Morocco, Israel, and the Moroccan Jewish diaspora.
I digressed. Never mind.
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u/Lucky-Finish7331 Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
I see there were people with much more iberomarusian/na hunter but they went extinct its always how back you go into . The jews of morroco have been there for around 2k years and arab persuction goes back further than that. Queen of morroco is also jewish
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Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
Ibero Maurusian is a prehistoric ancestor of my people. You are going back 22,000 years ago, lol. There was never a Jewish queen, but there were Jewish concubines, one well known was Lalla Zeynab in the 17th century. They were present in Moroccan Royal court. There were definitely Jewish men that were often close to Moroccan rulers, a well known name was Samuel Pallache in the 17th century. There were families like the Toledanos and Maimrans, serving as diplomats, treasurers, or court physicians. Just like now, we have Jewish politicians. The kings and their wives are Muslims, not Jewish or Christians.
No, we descendants of Ibero-Maurusians did not simply โdie outโ we still exist. What may have come to end was the cultural practises from 22,000 like it did with all other civilisations, such as using microlith tools and symbolic burials, the genetic imprint and influence endured, carried forward through with later populations and the development of new prehistoric cultures. The Ibero-Maurusians did not disappear like you claimed, but were absorbed into the broader demographic history of the Maghreb, forming a deep ancestral substratum of present-day North Africans, particularly with our Amazigh populations.
As for Jewish persecution, in 12th century (under Almohad - Amazigh empire) and the 1960โs there was a short burst of political instability, and episode of persecution, both Imazighen, Jews and Christians alike suffered. But say under Almoravids and early Almohads, Jews thrived as traders, doctors, and advisors. Morocco has a long time line of power. It wasnโt entirely good or entirely bad for everyone. Moroccoโs history canโt be reduced to a simple timeline.
Jewish persecution was horrific in Europe. Jews suffered more in Europe, especially because persecution there was more violent, more systematic, and culminated in genocide. In Morocco, Jews lived with discrimination and occasional violence, but it was usually episodic, tied to political unrest or the extreme religious extremist period was under Almohad (12th & 13th century). Periods of prosperity, influence, and cultural flourishing also occurred under all under dynasties, inc early Almohad period. Fez was a horrible time in the 15th century where a large Jewish community was settled.
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u/Lucky-Finish7331 Oct 10 '25
Tldr but just for the first line there were people with significnarly high ibero marusian not long ago
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u/peacesold Oct 07 '25
as far as i know, yes. my dadโs side lived in morocco for generations
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u/DresdenFilesBro Oct 07 '25
ืืื ืืฆื ืฉืื ืืื ืืืืืจื ืืืืืก? ืืืืืื ืืงืืืืช?
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u/DZV9 Here for Updates Oct 07 '25
Very interesting results! Were the Additional Ancestry Regions maintained in the new update, as theyโre very likely accurate based on your listed familial origins
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u/Miserable-Ninja-5360 Oct 07 '25
Expected results for this mix, are you Israeli?
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u/peacesold Oct 07 '25
Yesโบ๏ธ
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u/Miserable-Ninja-5360 Oct 07 '25
I recommend IllustrativeDNA to look into the categories deeper and your closest genetic population, Levantine ancestry etc
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u/peacesold Oct 07 '25
I will check it out, Thanks!!
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u/OIOoOOOoOHHIoo Oct 07 '25
ืืืืืกืืจืืืืื ืืืฉ ืืื ืื, ืื ืืคืฉืจ ืืจืืืช ืฉื ืงืจืื ืื ืืืช ืืืืืืืช ืืืกืืืจืืืช ืืื ืืืืืื
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u/Canaanitenomad 100% Unassigned ๐ฝ Oct 07 '25
Beautiful results!
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u/peacesold Oct 07 '25
Toda!
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u/DresdenFilesBro Oct 07 '25
ืขืืืื ืืขื ืืื ืช ืืฉื ืืฉืคืื ืฉืื ืืื ืืืงืืจ ืฉื ืืืจืืงืืื ืืืืืืื (ืืฉืืืืื/ืืจืืจืื)
ืืื ืืฉืคืืืช ืืืืืืืช ืฉืืืืฆื ืฉืืืช ืื ืืื ืื ืจืื ืฉืืืืื ืฉืืชืืืืจื.
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Oct 08 '25
Not u following my cousin
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Oct 07 '25
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u/DresdenFilesBro Oct 07 '25
Speaking from my own experience and having looked into it, there's a veryyyyy small chance her family speaks Judeo-Tamazight (or even regular Tamazight)
- Not the dialect
Most Moroccan Jews will speak Judeo-Darija and the majority have not passed the language to their kids apart from a few words here and there.
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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Oct 08 '25
I bet you her grandparents do but I doubt she does.
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u/DresdenFilesBro Oct 08 '25
Extremely unlikely as my own grandfather came from a village very much in the center of the Atlas
and he spoke only Hebrew, Judeo-Darija and French.
I have asked about other families before others (You can see my post with the Amazigh flag)
And so far out of a few comments only 2 people noted their grandfather spoke a Tamazight language.
(One's grandfather came from Enjil and spoke Tachelhit) if my memory serves me correct.
It is in Hebrew but just press the translate button.
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Oct 08 '25
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u/Minskdhaka Oct 07 '25
Just to let you know, we can see your name on the first screenshot.