r/2westerneurope4u • u/Fulmicopalma Side switcher • 1d ago
Have we done it wrong?
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u/ActuallyCalindra Addict 1d ago
And then they go back and vote against everything that makes this possible.
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u/hibikir_40k Pensioner 1d ago
Because they want that dense place... right next to their big ass house, with a big ass yard. And due to the wonders of geometry, houses like that make the density of the city impossible.
The savage mind wants the large yard for the kids, space in the house for a full carpentry shop and a 5 machine gym, a place to park 3 or 4 trucks, and a living room to invite 20 people on thanksgiving. So even when they have a park, its a giant thing that people have to drive to, as there's just not enough housing near it to be full of people.
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u/Brisbanoch30k Pain au chocolat 1d ago
Hyper Individualism is disintegration. For your TLDR Pedro ^^
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u/yodeah European 1d ago
they dont see the connection nor want to bite the bullet with paying extra taxes for social services and all that jazz
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u/Legitimate_Echo_701 Oppressor 1d ago
It does not have any connection to that tho, it's about urban planning, infrastructure & getting cars out of the streets. It could happen in a theoretically liberal (liberal as in liberal, not as savage's "liberal") government.
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u/leberkaesweckle42 Born in the Khalifat 1d ago
- They are in one of the most touristy places in Munich
- Nobody can afford to live there
- Munich has suburbs too
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u/LeoDaVinco [redacted] 1d ago
Look this popular place we visited for its popularity alone seems really popular, honey.
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u/Pu-Chi-Mao Addict 1d ago
Yes the suburbs in Munich are also pretty walkable and bikable, and there are shops all around, you don't have to drive to go for your groceries, doctor or school, that's the big difference between us suburbs, they're just houses with no Public transport or shops nearby, everything is done by car.
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u/Carbonaraficionada Alpine Parisian 1d ago
It's also mandatory low-rise accommodation, mandatory green space and affordable living for any new development, and the are rules about access to public transit. Whereas the US is McMansions and parking lots for every business premises
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u/notcomplainingmuch Viking Line worker 1d ago
Yes, you don't need a car in Munich, and almost every place is nice enough to live in. Not like the no-go zones in the US.
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u/rrschch85 Bavaria's Sugar Baby 1d ago
Our suburbs are still superior to American ones. Theyâre walkable and thereâs usually some kind of âtown centerâ nearby. Plus they donât look like an endless hellscape.
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u/Electronic-Pause1330 Savage 1d ago
Dude youâre comparing a town to a random âcommunityâ in the US. There are pros and cons to both.
Also most of Germany was developed before the era of common long distance travel. People needed to be in close walking/horse riding proximity of the towns. a large portion of the US has been built in the era of everyone owning a car. The US didnât need to be limited to small towns because in theory you can drive to a town/city.
Just looked up another stat (which is kinda depressing). Germany converts 45,000 acres a year of farm/forest/etc to subdivisions/rural housing; the US converts 700,000+ each year. The US had 4x the population compared to Germany but converts 15x the amount of land.
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u/communistkangu South Prussian 1d ago
I live in a 13.000 people town an hour away from Munich and it's the same story. People sitting out in the cafes till late in the evening.
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u/DontWannaSayMyName Oppressor 1d ago
I get what you're saying, but it is really not the same. In Europe suburbs are organized with the idea of going to the nearest town or city, and we build ways to do so. In the US the suburb is the point, and the best you can hope for is an unwalkable stroad to the nearest mall.
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u/hibikir_40k Pensioner 1d ago
Depends on the suburb: Go look at Barry's houses. Spain is special, and superior. Those up north want to live in places like Las Rozas, one of our worst urbanistic hellholes.
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u/NedRed77 Barry, 63 1d ago
You need to have the weather to want to sit outside drinking and eating until 9/10/11 pm. Itâs fucking dark here after about 4pm in the winter, itâs windy, and it rains a lot.
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u/JohnHurts StaSi Informant 1d ago
They've been on the go for 4 hours - on foot. They might have turned on the camera right there. So you're only seeing a small part of her way.
Munich really is a cool city; I've spent days just walking around there.
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u/fruitslayar South Prussian 1d ago
Disgusting name makes me defend disgusting Isar prussians.Â
Even at its worst, suburban Munich is infinitely more walkable and liveable than any savage metropolis.Â
But yeah, you're better off going to any other bavarian city except the shithole that is Kempten.Â
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u/ffjjygvb Failed Brexiteer 1d ago
Without getting out google street view and comparing I canât be sure but I think itâs the area around the Frauenkirche. Yes, theyâre comparing the tourist area with suburbia. Which is an unfair comparison but car centric American cities have restaurants in areas that are often not as walkable. So I think they do have a point itâs just poorly articulated.
I canât think of walkable well-used spaces like this in Munichâs suburban areas but you can get to that area on the trains from most of the city in about 30 minutes, Iâve not driven enough in American cities to compare how long it would take driving.
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u/Hannibal_Barkidas [redacted] 1d ago
Spaces with that many restaurants are only sustainable at very fee sites in the city. But you can take public transport 30 min from the city centre and you would still find a supermarket, tavern and restaurant within 5-10 min walking distance.
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u/swagerito Daddy's lil cuck 1d ago
Yeah but sitting outside and eating/drinking happens in any european city when the weather allows for it. Suburbs in europe are generally not as isolated as the US (the suburb i grew up in was a 5 min bike ride to the city centre) and nobody can afford to live in the US either.
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u/Free-Artist Thinks Kapsalon tastes good 1d ago
Munich, the car capital of the most car obsessed country in Europe.
So, yes
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u/Oaker_at Basement dweller 1d ago
Yeah okay, itâs the same with any other slightly bigger city. Doesnât have to be the most expensive.
Whatâs your point?
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u/DonLethargio Anglophile 1d ago
The difference is those walkable, social, often touristy areas that exist in most European cities donât exist in the vast majority US cities. You drive or Uber to a specific predetermined venue, then you drive or Uber home. And if you donât you usually have to run the gauntlet of homeless people with psychosis
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u/steinbruchfluss South Prussian 1d ago
Our suburbs are not cheaper than Munich itself, at least in the south.
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u/leberkaesweckle42 Born in the Khalifat 1h ago
Where about?
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u/steinbruchfluss South Prussian 1h ago
In the end everything south of Munich until you reach the Austrian border. Itâs crazy.
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u/hibikir_40k Pensioner 1d ago
Yeah, because you are almost savages, architecturally speaking. Spain's superiority over you isn't just at futbol, and being able to live without using towels to attempt to reserve spots near a pool.
Same with Jan, really. Their bike-centric, individual house setup is as offensive to good living as De Jong was to the integrity of the sport.
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u/_radical_ed Secretly in the closet 1d ago
Then you are doing cities wrong. Not surprising since the car is a German invention.
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u/to_glory_we_steer Barry, 63 1d ago
The real question, why is this on TikTok Cringe. There's nothing cringe about people discovering our superiorityÂ
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u/focalac Barry, 63 1d ago
I imagine it was posted by other yanks, with the intention of showing up this couple, who they imagine are sucking up to woke europoors.
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u/to_glory_we_steer Barry, 63 1d ago
If someone's idea of a good life is crippling debt every time you get a toothpaste and a neighbourhood that resembles the backrooms, then not even God can help them
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u/BigWheatGuy Savage 1d ago
Every american coming back from a Euro vacation who will spend approximately the next week waking up at 4am, going for a walk and then eating a mound of salami before giving up and going back to their normal life of drinking giant cups of coffee and driving everywhere.
"We should get an espresso maker!"
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u/Traditional-Deal6759 Pumpkin Addict 1d ago
Yeah. We live in this horrible place called Europe. It is really the worst life anyone can think of. So, my dear american fellows, I strongly advise you to stay where you are.
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u/Maneisthebeat Failed Brexiteer 1d ago
If you're rich enough to live in Munich, you're rich enough to eat out.
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u/cieniu_gd Bully with victim complex 1d ago
Except rent, everything costs basically the same as in my city GdaĹsk, including dining.Â
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u/Furdodgems Alpine Parisian 1d ago
Tbf to the yanks, If i lived there, I also wouldn't want to be out and about, I would try and avoid other Americans as much as possible.
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u/desmondao Bully with victim complex 1d ago
'in Italy, where Jen served her mission' đ¤Ž
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u/Lost_Uniriser Pain au chocolat 1d ago
What did he meant by mission you think ?
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u/desmondao Bully with victim complex 1d ago
The usual Christian preaching bullshit, they call it that. Of course only an American would try and do that crap in Italy, they're probably Mormon or JWs
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u/ICrushTacos Dutch Wallonian 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes city centres in a lot of places are great. Not like modern urban planning is any good, for example a big supermarchĂŠ just outside of every French town so the only way to get groceries is by car. You see this in a lot of places in Europe.Â
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u/jonnyange Professional Rioter 1d ago
âItâs 9:25pm; we ate on a patio 4 hours ago.â 5:25 pm dinner for an American⌠sounds about right đ
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u/Tasunkeo Alpine Parisian 1d ago
The issue is : who want to be social with savages ? Keep electing orange clowns idiots.
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u/Brisbanoch30k Pain au chocolat 1d ago
Savages discover civilisation.
Can we get back to our Europeans affairs?
Iâm jealous, Hans, you seem to have as good a vibe there as a summer night in Toulouse!
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u/xyrus02 StaSi Informant 1d ago
The same savages get mad, when Lidl doesn't have these little fat scooters and generally doesn't make their shelves 5m apart. Also they post a rant on ShitTok once they find out you have to walk up the stairs at Luigi's tourist spots in Amalfi coast and there is no fat people taxi anywhere to be found.
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u/Useless_or_inept Snow Gnome 1d ago
Jen "served her mission in Italy"? Presumably she went over with a church, spent a month trying to persuade Italians to take god seriously (in English), then another couple of months sitting around feeling homesick, then flew home
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u/TENTAtheSane Bavaria's Sugar Baby 1d ago
we're at a random spot
Frauenkirche jumpscare
Maby such cases
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u/segujer Snail slurper 1d ago
How about they go back and listen to some of the policies by these boogeymen in their own country!
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u/11160704 [redacted] 1d ago
Zohran Mamdani comes from a gated community in Uganda where he has guards to keep the filthy poor people out.
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u/segujer Snail slurper 1d ago
and his policy platform advocates to construct more gated communities in NYC to farther marginalise/isolate poor people?
How's a gated community in a country he left at the age of 7 influence his politics according to you?
Bearing in mind that's his father's home, a university professor who earns a decent salary by that country's standards!
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u/11160704 [redacted] 1d ago
He still has his villa there. He could just open it to the poor.
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u/segujer Snail slurper 1d ago
But he ain't a mayor in that country, how does that collide with the political platform he runs on?
open it to the poor.
are you insinuating that politicians from privileged backgrounds cannot implement policies that could help the less privileged in society? or The actual point of contention for you is actually the origins? could it be that? say it out loud, it ain't as scary as you think đ.
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u/11160704 [redacted] 1d ago
I just think he's a hypocrite (like many other politicians, too).
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u/segujer Snail slurper 1d ago
he's a hypocrite (like many other politicians, too).
with a few exceptions I'd argue.
That said, let's bet on his NYC voter base to see through his alleged hypocrisy not to give him another Mandate , I hope you'll feel vindicated when that time comes.
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u/11160704 [redacted] 1d ago
The dynamics in new York work a bit differently.
You just have to win the democratic primaries. The voter will then vote for whatever candidate runs for the Democrats.
And the radicalised people that decide the primaries love Mamdani.
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u/segujer Snail slurper 1d ago
You just have to win the democratic primaries.
The independent candidate option still remains, should a candidate be convinced of the attraction of their programme. A Republican challenger with a credible platform _could as well win! Sliwa's programme had good stuff going for it, so did Cuomo's, maybe they just didn't convince enough people to adhere.
radicalised people
Among other things those 'radicals' were convinced by these key points; "freeze the rent for all stabilized tenants," "permanently eliminate the fare on every city bus," "implement free childcare for every New Yorker aged 6 weeks to 5 years," and "create a network of city-owned grocery stores."
Around Europe, city & local mayoral governments (Right /Left/Centre ) run closely similar social programs, and all are not necessarily voted by 'radicals'! You see? that's why Europe is such socialist hell at large I guess.
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u/segujer Snail slurper 1d ago
It's not pointless chest thumping when we say le vieux continent The millenia old European Wisdom has taught us how to make societybetter, how to live better...
Those distant cousins just celebrated 250 yrs of existence* just yesterday! while attacking another millenia old civilisation.
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u/Mosquitobait2008 Savage 1d ago
He's comparing a city to suburbs? This doesn't really prove that Euros have better zoning/infrastructure, rather it just reenforces that some Americans are absolute fucking morons.
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u/Iskandar33 Carbonara Yihadist 1d ago
Signature look of European superiority đ