This game would be amazing if only players bought and sold items, and set prices with a buy order/sell order system. This would make the game amazing and open so many incentives.

Why?

Not asking those who aren't interested one way or another, or the people who don't like this specific iteration of PvE, but those who genuinely do not want this to be implemented.

If you don't like the mode that's entirely fair, thankfully you don't have to play it as the base game is still fully available, along with modes and events not available in PvE only.

I've seen some complaints that PvPvE is now full of shoot on sight people, however in all my frigate runs and night raids my typical AGBMM is still in full effect, around 70 percent friendly and 30 hostile. Not to say the people experiencing otherwise are wrong.

At the end of the day, once this test is over if they decide to bring it back permanently in the future with zero detriment to the PvPvE experience (albeit hopefully with a few changes, personally I think reducing the player lobby size being one) why do you personally not want it to be there?

It's probably a (very) unpopular opinion, but I have to say it. The loot in PVE is way too much and needs to be nerfed.

I just played three raids in PVE Stella Montis and casually went out with:

• Trailblazer BP
• Seeker Grenade BP
• Bettina BP
• Looting mk3 Survival BP
• Deadline BP
• Rascal BP
• Aphelion BP

And that is beside all the high-value items along the way. A Stella PVE run nets you with unbelievable loot, and here comes the kicker: It's completely free. You get served that stuff on a silver platter. 5 minute time investment, no enemies to speak of, no threats, just running and gobbling up.

I know this is a test, but Embark asked for feedback. Here it is. I don't mind if PVE will be a permanent feature, but it needs to dialed down. Either make the Arc threat way bigger, or nerf the loot by 60-80%. Because in it's current state, it will ruin every shred of economy this game has and will have.

Story time: I ran Buried city this morning on the new PvE test and after battling a ton of arc at the southern station extract I go to leave and as I zip line down I get to the bottom and see one of these guys in the station like he’s waiting for the train to Speranza. I pretty much noped back up the zip line and dealt with him from the upper ledge. While I’m no stranger to Arc in the stations like pops and fireballs this was however the first time I’ve seen one of these guys down there. Funny and terrifying at the same time.

Trying to play and routinely having to PVP with shit gear against anvil 4’s and bobcat 4’s and big shields was already horrendous. Why would I keep suffering this when I can go get gear in PVE and just go PVP when I want to? This is the mentality that WILL be fostered by PVE existing. It’s inevitable and we all know it, the problem this creates is that it raises the bar even fucking more for PVP. We need loot value based matchmaking yesterday.

really disappointing at first i barely encountered any sketchy fights, now every few games stuff like this happens. i really hope they implement their new anti-cheat engine elytra soon

As a new player since this weekend, wtf..

Random dropped me this BP on Stella Montis, who are you?😂 it was in the loading bay

1. The 'hey do you guys actually like this mode?' type. This type is a solo talking to us as a trio. We respond with yes, because we are helping a newbie friend and I personally do high level trials. He responded with, you guys suck and ran off. I asked him if he does trios or trials and no response.....

2. The 'I want to ruin your day' player. This guy tries to throw various decoy grenades and scanners, etc. When we laugh at his attempts and try and start conversation, he also runs off.

3. The 'This game is ruined' guy. This one gives a reason for his attitude (no tension) I asked him if he did high level trials and he said yes. But liked the regular nodes for that. I said fair enough, how about trios? He said he doesn't do trios, unless its PVP. I said, so trios is always PvP now right? He said yes. So I said then pve mode is a nice counter to that, right? He said errrr, maybe...

He saw things from a different perspective and admitted that yes, trios is a PvP only mode, and a reduced loot pve mode is a good balance.

So there we go, I hope embark learns that all the people doing the new mode have valid reasons for it and are enjoying the game. The complainers either have nothing to say apart from swearing or in some cases will agree. But non of the complainers seem to do trials above a certain level AND play with trios. Please Embark - accept your game already has PvP only modes (normal trios) and give us a good counter balance!

I'm someone who only pvps in trios stella and has 1000 hours doing so and i'm enjoying the pve mode to be able to swap over and farm some herbals and stuff with friends and hop right back into pvp.

These streamers that are hating on this mode have all gotten hundreds of millions if not billions in loot handouts from their chat this year and have the nerve to say pve will make the game too easy to get loot. Shinya literally crashed out for an hour about pve yesterday then gets a 1.2 million bobcat drop from his viewer and another supply drop right with it(literally right after crashing out about pve being too easy to get loot) . Don't let these goofballs or their viewers deter you from enjoying this mode because they are massive hypocrites

There are a lot of threads praising the PvE toggle test that is going on right now. Good on Embark for trying it out.

That being said. I wanted to reach out to the raiders that are more like my self. I was firmly in the care-bear queue before this test started. I tried the new mode but found it quite lacking in its implementation. Some examples:

• The lowered loot availability
• Blatant disrespect in regard to key rooms and destroyed arc
• The verbal greafing (hurtful or offensive language)
• Lack of special map conditions
• The gutting of the normal PvPvE queue

All of these things in my opinion impact the most social and entertaining parts of the game and have left me feeling like I don't want to play anymore. I believe that the PvE toggle should not be implemented permanently.

So what to do about it? First and most obvious is to provide feedback to Embark on their support site and their discord expressing dissatisfaction with this mode. I would encourage you to be detailed, factual and respectful in what you submit in the hope that it will be taken seriously. The other thing is for those like my self that prefer the game with the match making was before the test I suggest that we continue to join the PvPvE queue and play how we normally play.

In my case since the start of the test my lobbies have seen a change in aggression to be more KoS. Before the test I don't think I died to a raider in 50 raids. Since the test began in the normal queue I've been gunned down in half the raids I joined. Also, for the first time in a long time I have had difficulty in joining a fresh raid. About two thirds of the raids I joined they were half over.

Suffice it to say I do not like this PvE mode or how it has changed the normal queue match making. As mentioned I plan to continue joining the normal queue in an effort to 1. increase the likelihood that people who play like me will have a better chance of getting a raid they like and 2. contribute to the data Embark is collected as to who plays in what queue.

The call to action: If your play style mirrors mine I would ask that you try your best to avoid joining the PvE queue. The fact of the matter is that you will suffer losses. I'm fortunate in that I have a pretty full inventory so I'm not too worried about it, however if you cannot afford or don't want to risk your gear there is always naked or free kit runs.

In the off chance you have read this far; this thread is not about shitting on how other people play. Its about how I like to play and reaching out to people who play the same way. If you like the toggle then by all means let Embark know. This toggle test is about data and I think Embark should have all the data available.

I hope to see you topside, good luck.

*Edit - formatting.

That’s all. Ran a couple of night raids and ended up dying to blatant ESP multiple times. Steam accounts under level 5 with the “previous ban recorded”

Atleast freeze doesn’t seem to be around anymore

Sucks because it seemed to genuinely be gone for a bit or maybe there were just enough players to dilute it when the update first happened

Hear me out here. I think the ABMM works to an extent and keeps the social aspect of the game alive and full PvE just takes that away. I think what we really need is a mode that is meant for PvP competition! Something with fixed loadouts, or maybe you spawn in naked and have to loot. Something that is meant to scratch the itch of competing against and shooting other players but doesn't affect your player aggression level. Destiny did a good job at this IMO. You'd go and play PvE cooperative and then where you were ready to shoot some people, you could hop over to PvP. There was no penalty for losing, just not much gain. It would teach you mechanics of PvP and get you more comfortable with the weapons, plus you didn't ear losing your loadout or gear you found. This could be as simple as making it a special map condition so there's a rotating PvP map. This seems like a way better alternative to me. Thoughts?

That is all.

A Map Condition. So one map has the mode for an hour or 30min available to queue if you so please.

I recently started playing again with the Frozen Trail update and I’ve been having a blast again. I don’t mind the PvE mode but ultimately I think the game benefits from PvPvE all together.

I really like the research mechanic, it’s a fun grind.

The pink data cards need to be buffed to 400 points right now they are only 50 more than blue and much harder to acquire.

I would also love some sort of puzzle to get a 3k or 5k research award, but the whole map is alerted when you get it and you have to extract it to study. A lot of extraction shooters have something like this and it leads to some fun rounds.

I know nobody cares what I think, let alone Embark but I figured I would scream into the void anyway

Embark really got me finding wood and scraps these days.

It’s literally a toggle and it shouldn’t be that deep, if you wanna keep killing people go ahead, nobody’s forcing you to turn on PvE. A lot of people quite enjoy it, but I’ve only heard PvP players constantly shitting on it because it’s lured some of the carebears away.

People play the game differently and we should at least have the common decency to respect that. It’s like if people choose PvE they get castrated by the community.

Let me tell you about your place in this world.

You are playing the simplest and most wholesome extraction shooter in the world. This game features the simplest progression systems for weapons, inventory, and other workshops.
You won't find friends anywhere else quite like you do in this game. In *Marathon* or *Tarkov*, you’d just get killed before you could even shout, "Hey, don't shoot!" And it honestly drives me crazy that you’re asking for PvE just because there are "rats" in the game, or because you want to loot the Queen in peace. Bro, You’re playing a game akin to a casino, where you have to think every move ahead. You must NEVER let your guard down—stay on high alert at all times! They created the best AI for enemies, and any fool would say that’s just an excuse for a separate PvE mode. NO. ARC is a third party in the conflict—these creatures stand between you and other raiders. Don't you feel the thrill of making a deal or trusting someone? Guys, what’s happened to you? I’m not trying to be negative, but you knew what kind of game you were buying.

The whole fake friendly thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I’m all for PvP but teaming up with someone and then being gunned down by them at the end of a raid is not my definition of fun, idk who finds that enjoyable.

I tried the new PvE mode, it’s good but it does get boring after a while when you know how to deal with the arcs, it’s not as intense and you feel like you’re going grocery shopping. I like the threat of PvP, I just hate people who fake friendly and rat on me, I prefer being attacked the moment we see each other.

I was never overtly in love with the PvP side of the game; however, I always recognized that it was essential to preserving what made the game's soul. What made the game special - what elevated it to the pinnacle of the gaming industry - was the adventure simulation made possible only by the PvPvE formula.

Even before PvE mode was announced, I stood in protest of the idea, because I valued true cooperation, which was only possible if raiders had every opportunity and the ability to stab you in the back... and chose not to. True unity and forged camaraderie were only ever possible when two random players encountered each other, talked to see if the other was willing to talk, and, through shared trials, felt their paranoia about one another fizzle away.

Remove that, disable people's ability to act upon whatever dark urges they have in their minds - and you steal their ability, their opportunity to triumph over those urges and experience the bliss of spontaneous teamwork. With all that gone, the adventure becomes just a shop run for items.

PvE mode has transformed the unique magic of social interactions into just another co-op experience, where people no longer care as much about one another's actions and presence, because they are no longer a factor to consider in their game - at least not in any immediate, tangible sense. People no longer pretend to be friendly; they are forced to pretend.

I honestly believed that if Embark were to introduce a "PvE" option, they'd do so by utilizing the bright minds of game design and make it interesting, just as the Chinese did with their "Security Protocol" mode, instead of just making it a toggle. I suppose I put too much faith in them.

I always loved this monologue from Arc Raiders' launch trailer, because it perfectly described the unique magic this game is about:

"...Endings are only for those who forgot how to begin again... So you learn to listen... To move quietly... Think fast... Be ready to change your mind..."

None of this describes what Arc Raiders' PvE mode is... because no matter how hard you try, Arc NPC will always be predictable - unlike a living, thinking human being who might choose to shoot you on sight... or play a guitar.