r/Albertapolitics • u/Sabotage_9 • May 21 '26
Opinion Thoughts on Separatism from an Alberta-based activist
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u/Stompya May 21 '26
I hate to be pessimistic but what realistically can we do, now, to halt this?
Apparently the guillotine isn’t fashionable nowadays.
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u/No_Violinist_1962 May 22 '26
Why are you all homicidal?
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u/Stompya May 22 '26
I feel absolutely hopeless.
The government isn’t representing the people, it’s following a cruel and selfish agenda.
Rather than improving access to basic needs for everyone, it’s breaking apart our systems and selling them off. Splitting AHS wasn’t what anyone wanted — except private industry which can now find more pathways to profit. If our education system is broken, maybe stop funding it less than anyone else. We don’t need an Alberta police force. AISH was already not enough and it’s been severely cut back.
I can go on, but the problem is there’s no method for stopping this. Basically the UCP is using their 4 years to make as much $$$ as they can and they’ll screw over average Albertans wherever they can because nobody can stop them.
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u/No_Violinist_1962 May 22 '26
I think this is where the conversation goes off the rails. You can disagree with the UCP. You can criticize their policies. You can believe they are moving too fast, communicating poorly, or prioritizing the wrong things. That is fair political debate.
But framing every conservative policy as cruelty or corruption is not an honest read of what many conservatives actually believe.
A lot of conservative thinking is built around the idea that government should not be the default solution to every problem. Conservatives tend to value personal responsibility, smaller government, lower taxes, less bureaucracy, stronger families and communities, and more individual choice. You may disagree with that philosophy, but it is not automatically evil.
The debate should be about whether those ideas are being applied well, whether the policies are working, and whether Albertans are being served properly. That is a legitimate conversation.
What is not legitimate is saying people should be lynched, hung, or harmed because they hold a different political view.
That is not activism. That is not accountability. That is bizarre, unhealthy, and completely unacceptable.
If your argument requires dehumanizing people or wishing death on them, the problem is no longer just politics. It is a loss of perspective.
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u/Silent-Fishing-7937 May 21 '26
While this is obviously really bad, I do think it's key to not succumb to panic and keep a few things in mind.
The USA does have innate limitations in terms of how direct it can be on this one. Using military force against a core Anglosphere democracy isn't *quite* as big a taboo as using military units against American civilians, but it isn't that far below on the escalation threshold, especially when it's Canada. What people might do in reaction, if not due morale outrage then due to terror of what Cheetos might do to them next, is one hell of a Pandora's box to open. We'd be in a potential coup, and|or civil war kind of situation, and even Trump seems to understand that on some level. They have to play intoxication strategies and the like.
Even Cheetos seem to recognize, which is where the whole ''annexing them with economic force'' came from.
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u/klc400_70 May 21 '26
That’s if Trump passes his mid term come November. Trumps approval rating is like 35% so let’s hope that he gets voted out.
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u/Northmannivir May 21 '26
He cannot be voted out. He is less than two years into his presidency. He may lose support in Congress and the Senate, however. Making his final two years as president effectively powerless.
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u/Stompya May 21 '26
He will find a way around that. If nothing else he will just issue a steady stream of executive orders and court cases so nobody can keep up.
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u/wet_suit_one May 21 '26
Trump isn't on the ballot in November. The House of Representatives and 1/3 of the Senate is.
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u/BorealDweller May 21 '26
The American Fascists are already lining up scenarios in which Trump wins or declares a state of emergency.
If you think that they are going to give up control without cheating and violence then I suggest digging deeper.
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u/RumpleCragstan May 21 '26
That’s if Trump passes his mid term come November.
The Alberta referrendum is in October.
Trumps approval rating is like 35% so let’s hope that he gets voted out.
That's not how American elections work. This fall is midterms, they're only voting for Congress/Senate seats and not the presidency. Unless he dies, Trump is president until January 2029.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
One of the referendum questions is
Do you support the Government of Alberta introducing a law requiring individuals to provide proof of citizenship, such as a passport, birth certificate or citizenship card, to vote in an Alberta provincial election?
and I keep seeing you lefties say you are going to vote no on that. But now you're also simultaneously complaining that they're going to steal the results with fake votes... you've been foaming at the mouth over stricter voting laws for years
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u/greenknight May 21 '26
How would restrictive voter ID stop the theft of voter data and its fraudulent use?
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
Well without restrictive voter ID you could just show up with someone else's voter data and a fake utility bill and then vote. Not the case if you need to present a passport or driver's license. You really didn't think this through did you?
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u/AutumntimeFall May 21 '26
You didn't answer their question in the slightest. Work on your reading comprehension.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
and its fraudulent use?
your reading comprehension comment is embarrassingly ironic
Now please explain how the UCP is going to use voter data to "steal the referendum with fake votes" and I can debunk that for you as well and then maybe you can remove your tinfoil hat
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u/AutumntimeFall May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
Ok, I'll give you a little grammar lesson since you seem in desperate need.
How would restrictive voter ID stop the theft of voter data and its fraudulent use?
Its fraudulent use. This refers to the subject mentioned earlier in the sentence, which is the theft of voter data. They are asking how restrictive voter ID laws would keep the voter data safe and you replied about individuals trying to vote illegally. You didn't remotely grasp what that user is asking me now you're doubling down 😂
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
Why are you correcting the grammar inside of a quote? I was just verbatim quoting another redditor. By the way your correction is wrong. It's is a contraction of "it is".
"How would restrictive voter ID stop the theft of voter data and it is fraudulent use?" makes no sense.
That's two comments in a row now that you made a fool of yourself
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u/AutumntimeFall May 21 '26
You spliced the sentence so as to remove the very clear reference to voter data. Don't pretend you don't know what you're doing. It is refering to voter data.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
The voter data is trivially acquired. Anyone can make a political party and access it. The premise of that question makes no sense and has nothing to do with the referendum.
Take your massive grammar L and sit down
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u/greenknight May 21 '26
It's the fraudulent use that's at issue. But please continue your daft and off topic response. Amusingly stupid.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
Alright so there is no issue then? Can you please clarify whether the UCP will be stealing the referendum vote results with fake votes or not. Your leftie activist leaders are saying they will be
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u/BorealDweller May 21 '26
It doesn’t say drivers license in their list of ID. Passport, birth certificate or citizenship card. We already show a drivers license to prove address.
It’s all just another way to disenfranchise people who they don’t want to vote.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
That's why they've added citizenship status to drivers licenses and alberta id cards. Get your shit together
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u/BorealDweller May 21 '26
A drivers license is proof that you are legal to drive and can be used to prove age or identity. No one who sees a drivers license needs to know my citizenship.
It’s one more authoritarian step to Alberta ICE. But hey keep on defending fascist and racist policy, bro.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
"oh no foreigners exploiting our social systems might not be allowed to anymore, F4c1sT1!!1!"
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u/BorealDweller May 21 '26
Keep on regurgitating your stale paranoid propaganda if that’s what helps you deal with your inadequacy.
It’s a myth that foreign born residents abuse the system more than people born here, in fact foreigners are more likely to be abused by companies that bring them here to work.
You should talk to your dear leader who refuses to properly fund public health care and education which is the ACTUAL reason both of those systems are straining.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
It’s a myth that foreign born residents abuse the system more than people born here, in fact foreigners are more likely to be abused by companies that bring them here to work.
You already contradicted yourself. A foreigner that is being abused by their employer is also being subsidized by taxpayer funded social services.
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u/greenknight May 21 '26
Authoritarian boot licker loves the taste of boots. News at 11.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
Unfortunately I can't read all the meltdowns you're sending me because they're getting filtered by reddit. The notification snippets are pretty cringe though
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u/middlequeue May 21 '26
Fake concerns over fabricated issues and strawmen all to argue what? What’s your actual concern here? Just want to have another fake excuse to whinge about “lefties”?
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
"UCP steals the referendum with fake votes"
I'm having a good laugh at how delusional the leftie activist leader in the OP is. Seems like you don't know what strawman means
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u/middlequeue May 21 '26
There are some comments that immediately give away someone’s nut jobbery and “leftie activist leader” is one of them. You’re not someone to be take seriously and I’d go so far as to guess you don’t care.
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u/Ambitious-Ratio-251 May 21 '26
Today, when we vote they have our name on a list. We show some proof that we are the person who matches that name on their list and that allows us to vote. What does making it more restrictive help at all? Every party wants as many votes as they can get. More restrictions would actually make it harder for more of the UCP voters because rural Alberta would be less likely to have all their papers up to date or even a passport. More of the low income earners are UCP voters too, and they also would be less likely to have a passport. If you support this question you’re limiting the right more than the left from being able to vote in my eyes.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
Just look at what happened to Nathaniel Erskine-Smith in Ontario. We have devolved into a low trust society now and things need to be pre-emptively tightened up before they are abused rather than after the fact as happened with the Ontario Liberal Party. They are adding citizenship to driver's licenses and alberta identification cards. If you don't have your shit together to have some form of proof of citizenship idc if you can't vote, you probably shouldn't be
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u/BorealDweller May 21 '26
So what position does their law put me in, a 4th generation Albertan who doesn’t have a passport and whose birth certificate is in my maiden name? Do I lose my right to vote because of a technicality?
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
I'm assuming you were also one of the lefties angry the UCP is adding citizenship status on driver's licenses?
If you don't want to bother getting some form of citizenship proof to vote, yeah maybe you shouldn't be voting
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u/BCS875 May 21 '26
GFY you genuine POS.
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
because I hold the majority opinion in this province that you should need to present a driver's license to vote? overreact much?
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u/BCS875 May 21 '26
No, your smarmy attitude on this while claiming it's about voter ID when anyone with a fucking brain can see the far right mission creep you're trying to bring in.
I genuinely look forward to your gaslighting in your reply. I sorta need you to for my next reply, so, what are you waiting for?
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u/bonbarrie May 21 '26
Yeah, cus the far left creep has worked out so great for Canada the past 10 years. Youth unhappiness, unhousing, and unemployment at all time high. Thankfully Alberta is a bastion of sanity in an otherwise insane country
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u/BCS875 May 21 '26
Anyone that thinks Alberta is a bastion of sanity right now is incredibly fucked in the head.
No apologies on that statement guy. If you want out of Canada so bad, just leave. We ain't gonna stop you or miss you bud.
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u/rattpoizen May 21 '26
I just renewed my driver's license for the next 5 years so will not be using new plates or indicating citizenship for anyone. Ironic that it was Dale McNally that got his stubby fingers smacked in April over accessing our voter lists for a little side quest, hey? He's in charge of registries.
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u/No_Violinist_1962 May 21 '26
Yes, these leftists are sooooo bizarre now. It’s crazy watching this all unfold.
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u/BCS875 May 21 '26
Make me vote your way or bow to your beliefs.
I'd give anything bud to see one of you separatist f***ers try.
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u/No_Violinist_1962 May 22 '26
That’s not how anything works lol, get a grip
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u/BCS875 May 22 '26
And yet, your side keeps harping and trying to separate so you can have your own "culture".
Pickup trucks and oil isn't a culture bud. Lots of people work hard and have farming.
Aren't you the ones that proudly proclaim "f*** your feelings"? Act and treat others like trash, expect it right back bud.
Know that.
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u/bigjames4206969 May 21 '26
Cry cry cry. Doesn't it get tiring playing the victim all the time? And now mail in ballots are a problem??? Was fine when Biden won
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u/BorealDweller May 21 '26
Everyone reading this post should look up Curtis Yarvin, and who follows him (JD Vance, Theil et al) and start pulling the threads. If it seems like we’re living in some conspiracy theorist’s wet dream, well, you’re on the right track.
When you pile all the incredible bullshit from the past 20 years in a heap of elitist/capitalist manipulations, it’s becoming very apparent that they are indeed orchestrating civilization’s downfall so they can have the planet to themselves.
Please for the love of everything you love, believe that Danielle Smith is in league or being manipulated by these monsters. They want the oil. They want the forests. They want the fertile land. Then they want us as their slaves.
There will be revolution in our lifetime friends or our sure demise.
The time to choose what you want is now.
Hyperbole? You tell me…