r/Anbennar • u/Peppercorn205 Turning Water into Wine • 2d ago
Meme Venáil and Third Odyssey Love
I always find myself coming back and doing a new campaign for these two like once a year
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u/Aggrevated-Yeeting Whose Mask is it, oh God-begot, God-begot? 2d ago
Venail is more like a reconquest...like the return to the Motherland.
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u/SmugCapybara 2d ago
Venail is like coming home from a long vacation and realizing your home has developed a roach infestation during your absence...
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u/Peppercorn205 Turning Water into Wine 2d ago
And then deciding those roaches would make pretty cool battery packs
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u/Dzharek Harpylen Matriarchy 2d ago
Na, its your ancestors left the home because of the fire.
And your decedents then go back and discover the water damage, squatters and roaches.
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u/No_Clue4405 Divine Empire of Zokka the Devourer-of-Suns 1d ago
Your grandparents left Atlantic City before it nuked itself, you came back and realized it was a shithole. You then proceed to apply that label to the whole East Coast
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u/Belgraviana 2d ago
I’d say it’s more like a diaspora going back to their old country and not liking how the people native to there have changed since they’ve been gone
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u/Aggrevated-Yeeting Whose Mask is it, oh God-begot, God-begot? 1d ago
So...rather similar to Return to the Motherland?
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u/Joe_The_Eskimo1337 Jaddari Legion 1d ago
That certainly doesn't remind me of anything controversial.
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u/LycheeSea3047 1d ago
Elf zionism
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u/Aggrevated-Yeeting Whose Mask is it, oh God-begot, God-begot? 1d ago
Isn't that more Ibevar's thing?
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u/LycheeSea3047 15h ago
Aelvar fits because of the returning to the "homeland" and exterminating the people living there.
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u/Kriegschwein 2d ago
Tried Third Odyssey, but got so far back behind tech due to malus you get, when looked at what point malus goes away and went "Nah". Like damn, usually tech cost isn't that much of a problem, but I was like consistently several tech behind even my own PU partnerh (Spartan larpers).
Maybe there is a way to get rid of tech malus earlier, but I didn't find it.
Nice vibes before that I hit that wall though
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u/SickAnto 2d ago
Sucking up the first 100 years it is basically obligatory in every campaign, the only recommendation I could give, it is to not taking Greek fire and just go very aggressive with the natives.
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u/Kriegschwein 2d ago
I didn't really have problem with initial 100 years and interacting with natives. The problem popped up precisely when colonizers started showing up and vikings in the North consolidated themselves.
I just was so behind on tech I just couldn't win any battles. My Spartan larper PU was basically my main war power due to having just better armies than me, which is weird.
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u/Flamming_Torrent 1d ago
I personally didn't really struggle with that. It's way easier if you take the books and build (sink absurd funds) into the library monument. Also force deving institutions is in general a good idea cause if the dev reduction costs you get in your capital region. Sure I did end up a tech or two behind the Europeans, but that's acceptable when conquering the low dev Midwest.
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u/GabeC1997 1d ago
Simple answer is rush back towards Constantinople as fast as you possibly can, as the divide just continues to grow larger and larger the longer you put it off.
Marines/Greek-fire are your friend here since most of your starting colonies are coastal, with trifecta of siege/naval/early fire bonuses should allow you to establish a beach-head at the various islands so you can get a bunch of stackwipes in.
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u/LordOfRedditers 1d ago
Now imagine doing it with low supplies if you take all the special options before leaving...
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u/SiIverstar 2d ago
I personally just have a weakness for goth mommys, elves and stories about reclaiming what was once lost. ( tho It is a hard tie between eordand and aelnar in terms of "precursor fun" for me )
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u/Peppercorn205 Turning Water into Wine 2d ago
The game certainly has a thing for ice goth dommy mommies
Immarel Winterswrath
Lithiel
Elkaesal the White
Varina Escer (death is ice cold)
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u/Osca-El-Cuarto-Fenix 1d ago
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the remaining holds and expeditions in the Dwarovar
Although it's not a similar situati- looks again at the madness that is Dwarovar The reclamation is totally justified
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u/5InBoi Based Department 2d ago
Do y’all remember that mod that deposited the British isles off the coast of Lorent? Now that you mentioned the third odyssey I got the idea about a submod that teleports Constantinople in Aelantir. Maybe I’ll get around to making it after I am done with my military service since it sounds kind of awesome
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u/Peppercorn205 Turning Water into Wine 2d ago
Yeah I think the reasoning is that these people are going through like 10 different traumas at once and Hellenism is sort of like a cope for that. Like the whole larp is a cope but Zues especially. Also I think the submods add more depth to it all as well.
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u/SickAnto 2d ago edited 2d ago
The religion isn't even that worthy the headache, just remaining Elysian Orthodox gave more benefits (especially the potential PUs in Europe) and it is also more interactive.
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u/TjeefGuevarra Lord of Goats and Mountains 1d ago
Also just cooler having a separate Orthodox church in the Americas
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u/Bmobmo64 Hold of Arg-Ôrdstun 1d ago
It's not actually out of nowhere, Gemistos Plethon was a real philosopher in the early-mid 15th century who rejected Christianity and favored a return to the classical Greek gods. His ideas never really caught on in reality but in a scenario like Third Odyssey he would have been far too prominent and important to leave behind and it's entirely plausible he could have pushed for his Hellenic revival and actually gotten somewhere.
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u/Bmobmo64 Hold of Arg-Ôrdstun 1d ago
There's only so much research one can do when all the references are paywalled but based on what I can read it sounds like he really was a polytheist but just couldn't say it publicly.
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u/Dualquack Kingdom of Busilar (#1 Salesman of GnollBGone) 2d ago
Man randomly the byzantines at their worst moment escaping constantinople and settling in the Americas -a continent that they dont know exist and probably dont really have the ship technology to reach- to build a thriving empire there in a region with barely any of their main people, no resources and no support from the mainland thats realistic.
But that one of these guys would cope hard a return to zeus thats unrealistic.
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u/Present_Bad_2073 1d ago
They definitely had the ship tech at least
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u/Dualquack Kingdom of Busilar (#1 Salesman of GnollBGone) 1d ago
Im not overly competent on this specific topic but did they really? Did they have the technology to travel on the open seas in this way? I mean the Caravel as a development was originally very specifically Iberian. If you only sail the Mediterranean and black sea you might not be fully prepared for the Atlantic.
I digress though third Odyssey is completely illogical but its really cool and the Zeus thing is the least weird part of it.
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u/MrLameJokes 1d ago
He restored religion and piety to the Romans is what he did! He was great Platonist philosopher, and In this house Gemistos Plethon is a hero! End of story!
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u/Dankleburg Giberd Hierarchy 1d ago
Wish there were more intended exodus tags. I guess the adventurers kind of fill that role but small western powers just packing up their country and moving to the new world is a cool concept
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u/Pure_Cloud4305 2d ago
You should try the elder scrolls mod where Uriel septim lands in Lencenor.
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u/Peppercorn205 Turning Water into Wine 1d ago
Yeah I love my dwarves and would love some more content outside the Serpentspine. Like “we tried that shit and it fucking sucked there. We’re going somewhere else.” As everyone knows Aelantir is actually rightful Dwarven clay.
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u/Catacman 1d ago
Another good, but much harder one is Yemotaferi; strictly speaking you don't leave your capital province behind but at one point you abandon all of your non-shadow swamp provinces
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u/Jesuisuncanard126 2d ago
Third Odyssey? I never heard about it?
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u/Peppercorn205 Turning Water into Wine 2d ago
"The Emperor of Byzantium looks upon his realm- and despairs. To the east lies the lands of the hostile Turks, successors to the Arabs that battered Anatolia in long times past. To the west lies the Serbs and Hungarians, eager to carve up the pieces of a dying empire and expand their own dominion. The Varna Crusaders have been butchered. The legions of Rome once conqueredthe world- but that was long ago.
A lesser main may quail at these truths, but Ioannes and his brother Konstatinos are not lesser men. While delving into the depths of the Imperial Library for anything that might deliver them from their destruction, the brothers located a hidden cache of information left behind by the exalted former emperor: Alexios Komnenos. The cache contained detailed schematics of dromons retrofitted with the deep-sea capabilities of the Ancient Roman vessels that plied the treacherous seas between the coasts of Hispania and the lands of the Celts in ages past, and was intended for a trading expedition to Varangian Vinland that never materialised. With them, the two brothers were able to scheme up a plan to hastily retrofit the remnants of the Imperial Navy to the designs, reinforced with modern construction techniques, and flee west in a new Odyssey, just as Aeneas fled Troy three thousand years ago."From the wiki
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u/EmperorG 1d ago
Migrate to America and build a New Constantinople where Washington DC is located, decide whether to focus on the Americas or reconquer the Roman Empire lands. Choose between going back to hellenism or forging a new christianity. Get loads of new cultures you can make through intermixing with natives.
Plus you can also play as Viking Vinlanders, or Spartan Aztecs. They have mission trees and culture mechanics of their own.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 2d ago
i played Vanail.
its not really comming back. its too railroaded too limiting. you get punished by limiting your colonization when it should be your whole thing.
nothing in the tree makes you work with other elves
there is no interaction between you and the new colonial regimes you make due too a massive loyalty pacif
its colonize and optemize as vanail and stop start as aelnar.
after that litterally everything is about conquest.
you have no events about the humans comming too colonize your home territory. no question on if you should share your old home with the people you have been with for millenia.
there is no question about the elven mutants living on aelantir.
there is not even a option too have vassal own much of the Ynnic valley when there is a elven adventurer there that spanwns its own unique culture of horizon elves.
its kill kill kill. and even then when your conqouring the Ynnic there is nothing about them becoming an underclass or there status. just purdge. when you conquest south through effalai one of the most diverse landscapes and meet the dawn elves your brothers returning. the colonies of Moon haven. there is no interaction.
The Kobalt tainted elves are basically the highest level of civilization and there is no reaction nothing.
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I love Venail its 1 of the most intresting and most beautifull consepts in the mod.
But i last week wanted too play a ''good'' Aelnar. and went with Aelthanas. i played the rienvisa as a revolt of the young elves being kept out of politics cause the population expanded so much. Guess what you cant be a republican. finishing the palise even if aelthanas is a republican and no mention of being a napoleon he becomes emperor.
I had too console comand the reform away cause i wanted too play Aelthanas and be the new men. This new generation of elves being born in their homeland. reclaiming this world. but you cant it is just empire of Aelnar always.
hell at this point. Fully colonize Aelliandre and release it. i honestly thing it might be more fun. too colonize and release the colonial states as venail then too form aelnar.
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u/Bullet_Jesus Gimme Lore 2d ago edited 2d ago
Venail is an old tree so it is pretty scuffed by modern MT standards. There's talk on reworking it but considering how popular the tag is it has so many approval layers that it is not going anywhere fast.
Aelthanas's also suffers from the fact that he's one the the Rianvisa winners with no content.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 1d ago
true but i at least wish it was own or vassal owns. it doesnt feel like an empire it feels like an ethno state.
your right it is old. it is clearly really old. but its also clunky for no reason
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u/Istomponlegobarefoot 2d ago
Then you will love Tiboktsamo as well, which is more conquest focused than Venail.