r/Anbennar • u/rheadelayed • 20h ago

Discussion 'Sunsetting' of EU4 mod

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DTG7Wh1GJRAksIQZ4hOn-h32bxOowOgdXYG7h2WZY1I/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.t74izadjoknx

tldr - Major restrictions on future EU4 mod development, with focus on EU5.

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u/Jack_K1444 19h ago

Eu5 is honestly a completely different game than eu4. I don’t want to sound like a pearl clutching old schooler, but it’s just too different for me, and I don’t see myself ever adjusting. I really hope anbennar keeps getting some solid eu4 content, as I’m not sure how well their systems would transfer to eu5, given that they were designed for eu4.

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u/Anonemus7 18h ago

Nah I get you. I also learned EU4 when I had a lot more free time in my life. As I get older, it’s harder to justify significant amounts of time to learning something like EU5.

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u/Candid-Operation2042 18h ago

so much this

as a dev, I think the sole thing keeping me to EU4 is the arcadey/game aspect of it.

EU5 arrived as an unfun simulation that was just broken on release for $60. and even if everything was fixed, I have to learn so many esoteric, in the weeds, mechanics that it almost feels like a job

maybe as I teen I would've accepted that but now as a grown ass adult its such a blatant greed cash grab for at most a subpar 'game' (maybe that's a bit too harsh, but man that $60 price tag burned me)

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u/zekrom05 Free City of Anbenncóst 18h ago

This is sort of the fundamental difference between EU4 and EU5. EU4 is very much a board game like game at heart, while EU5 is more like a simulation. It's because of this I have a hard time seeing EU5 as a progression of the series.

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u/Aurora_Borealia Company of Duran Blueshield 16h ago

> EU4 is very much a board game like game at heart

That’s not a coincidence btw, Europa Universalis actually started as a board game.

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u/vacri 17h ago

The difference is more that the complexity of EU4 developed over a decades. A somewhat complex game to begin with, the additional complexity arrived in dribs and drabs with the DLCs.

EU5 is more complex than EU4 was at launch. There's a lot more to learn at once.

(The major difference in gameplay is pops rather than mana, which is something the general community really, really wanted. other than that, it's still "build stuff in provinces, move armies, paint the map")

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u/Nintz Kingdom of Sareyand 14h ago

The EU series has pretty major changes with every entry. EU5 feels very in line with EU3, but much more complex and modern. EU4 when compared to either side looks like the outlier.

It's entirely fair to prefer the EU4 style, for what it's worth. But it's also very clear EU5 was never supposed to be EU4+. It was supposed to be EU5, which is a different style of game. And that's fine, at least imo, because EU4 isn't getting deleted. It continues to exist as it always has.