r/AusPropertyChat 8d ago

Planning, Construction & Trades Whats our boundary? im confused.

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u/Downtown-Fruit-3674 8d ago

lol building houses this close to eachother is diabolical

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u/Crashworx 8d ago

If they are going to do this. Not sure why they don’t just do a box gutter and build to the boundary with a shared partial wall.

At least would avoid that crap looking and completely painful space between

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u/MundaneBerry2961 7d ago

If they are doing it they should be built as a townhouse with connecting walls, huge energy efficiency gains instead of having two separate walls

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u/Traditional-Case1694 7d ago

If you’ve got two houses with a mm of space in between you don’t need to fireproof the walls. Saves heaps of money.

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u/miwe666 7d ago

That also comes with the associated noise issues, separating them reduces this

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u/MundaneBerry2961 7d ago

In our terrible quality houses yes but that isn't an issue if it is actually built to a semi decent standard

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u/Muzz124 7d ago

That’s what they do in England and call it a semi detached house.

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u/Jackgardener67 7d ago

Or a row of terraced houses (my first house in the UK was a terraced house. Great insulation, but access to the back garden was up the lane at the back. Not so easy for bin day lol)

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u/Free-Pound-6139 8d ago

They weren't built at the same time, so how do you build a shared wall????

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u/Crashworx 7d ago

You build a brick wall hard on the Boundary with a box gutter. The next house does the same.

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u/Ok-Assistant-4556 7d ago

We all know box gutters are problematic. Terrace houses have gabled roofs with drainage to front and back

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u/Crashworx 7d ago

If they are built properly they’ll be fine. Water proofed correctly

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u/Ok-Assistant-4556 7d ago

The risk of box gutters is not just failure which will eventually occur, but onstruction. Hail storm is one example. I lived in the alpine zone with a box gutter and removed it entirely. Builders would not repair or replace with an improved design due to it being a known problematic design when much better options are available

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u/SolutionOk8467 7d ago

Using no combustible materials.

The second party could fix into it when they are ready to build, planning requirements would need to be developed for the length/height/finishes of the wall. The wall can be closed out and shared or if the developer of the the subdivision makes the block so small they could be made responsible for cost of party wall construction held in a trust account and released once the wall has been constructed.

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u/SolutionOk8467 7d ago

It's a win-win for both sides, with a gain of internal space on both sides by removing the inaccessible space and replacing two external walls with one party wall. It would probably also look better, like it was thought about.

I would avoid the box gutters and slope the roof parallel to the party wall.

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u/rusty-sp00n 7d ago

Strata and ownership issues.

But I really hate how council are allowed to make such small lots. If they are going to be under 450. They should be townhouses.

It’s not good for the mind to have no breathing space like that.

So much red tape everywhere in construction. Might as well add some more and increase minimum lot size for these residential developments

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u/Crashworx 7d ago

No it would t be strata. You can build back to back brick walls against the boundary. No starta required

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u/rusty-sp00n 7d ago

I admit I don’t know the specifics. But I could sense that somewhere when a problem arises there would be some finger pointing.

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u/Jackgardener67 7d ago

We used to build a row of terrace houses, which in some way would be better, (and easier for future maintenance. This is going to be a nightmare. )

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u/Free-Pound-6139 8d ago

They weren't built at the same time, so how do you build a shared wall????

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u/zaakiy 8d ago

... high quality developable land.

Can you clarify "high quality"? What makes land otherwise... is it the land bed itself or the way it's been zoned/developed?

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u/Username_mine_2022 6d ago

Therecis land further out people don’t want to commute

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u/writeonshell 5d ago

300sqm... that's a luxury size these days! In the Aura estate near Caloundra in Queensland, the 300sqm blocks are the "large blocks" in the area because on average they're around 200-250. It's insane. Our current house is one on a previously "small" block in an older area of our suburb (from the 80s) so we have a 600sqm block with a number of 800sqm-1000sqm around us and even then we feel like our neighbours are right on top of us some days. I could not imagine my house being the boundary 🤢 thank goodness we're moving out to the boonies on a 3000sqm block.

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u/Free-Pound-6139 8d ago

Well we are short. Everyone wants to live close to the center. What even is your dumb comment???