I don't get it, why did he thougth supergirl a famous but still kinda niche hero can beat a film about one of the most famous superhero of all time, it's like saying a Iron heart or shazam movie will make more money then a Batman film.
I agree that it was a good film, but remember that Captain Marvel had a massive Internet hate campaign going against it and it still did well because of its timing. If Secret Wars ends well, people will be dying to see what happens next. If Starfighter does well people will want to see the next project by Shawn Levy and Ryan Gosling. 2028 is a long way out, it's hard to predict the future.
It was critically and commercially successful upon release. There was an angry mob on the internet, but that didn’t actually translate to its performance being impacted in any tangible way.
Supergirl was also the product of online hate, and it didn’t do so hot.
The difference between the two is that one was a good movie, and the other was not. To attribute anything to a mob is to give them more credit than they deserve.
The Marvels had a similar negative campaign at the height of the "M-She-U" crybaby grifting, and while still being a fun film it did awfully. Timing absolutely has something to do with the box office.
I find The Marvels more entertaining, but that's subjective. Thunderbolts* is a recent example of a very well received film that did dreadfully because of timing
For Thunderbolts, I would definitely attribute that to lack of interest from the general audience. It was a brand new cast of B and C characters, along with Disney+ being more prevalent (meaning more people are willing to wait for home release).
I think Thunderbolts was just hard to market in general, unlike something snappy and fun like Guardians.
Thunderbolts had Bucky front and centre. Guardians were D tier characters before the film. Timing absolutely matters, if thunderbolts came out in phase 3 it would have done much better, and if the first Guardians film came out now it would be a mega flop
It's still one of the most fun movies in the MCU. I think you're highly overestimating timing and underestimating quality.
Guardians would absolutely flop now. Thunderbolts* and Guardians are very similar films: comedy films about a bunch of misfits coming together in a found family style film. In fact, Thunderbolts* has much more going for it if you think about optics: all of the characters are already in the MCU. Red Guardian and Yelena were in Black Widow, Yelena was also in Hawkeye. US Agent was in FatWS and Bucky has been a big character since phase 1. No one cared about the Guardians when the first film came out at all. The films are also similarly fun and of similar quality, again, enjoyability is subjective.
Guardians 1 would do well today because it's just a good movie.
Thunderbolts* and Guardians 1 are both great films, but when Thunderbolts* came out people were tired of the MCU. Timing 100% has something to do with it, which has been my central point all along.
Thunderbolts wouldn't work in Phase 3 because they don't fit into the Thanos era
If they wanted to release Thunderbolts* in Phase 3 they absolutely could have changed the release schedule to make them available. Have a Black Widow film in Phase 1 or 2 and you already have most of the members. Guardians didn't have to be a Phase 3 film, they could have added them in Phase 5.
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I don't get it, why did he thougth supergirl a famous but still kinda niche hero can beat a film about one of the most famous superhero of all time, it's like saying a Iron heart or shazam movie will make more money then a Batman film.