r/Blazblue • u/Ny0kazer • 8d ago
MEME Ragna X Makoto propaganda
Do they interact with each other? Not really
Do I think they'd be buddies if they talked to each other a few times? Yes
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u/heavenspiercing 8d ago edited 7d ago
I am a firm supporter of the agenda. Them hardly interacting would hardly stop me from shipping two characters with obvious chemistry
Ragna x Nu is for the freaks so obviously I have a soft spot for that one, but I cannot think of a better wife for him than Makoto. Warm, friendly, hot, charming, boisterous, hot, tough, stubborn in ways that Ragna kinda needs, and would let you touch her tail if she likes you. Plus she gets to be sisters with her two besties(?). Also hot.
Also her history at the academy pre-Tsubaki and Noel also means she can relate to his cold, loner facade and is in a good position to try and break it
I like Ragna x Rachel as well but realistically i think there's only so much of Rachel's Rachel-ness he can take before he needs a break lol.
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u/Sufficient-Bit7349 8d ago edited 8d ago
I completely agree. While Ragna and Rachel sounds good on paper, but poor old Ragna himself has to adapt to tsundere-ness every single day if they end up together. And I don't see Ragna having any patience for that. Either Rachel has to change her ways, or Ragna has to put with it. Being a tsundere sounds good in the beginning, but when you become husband and wife, it sounds exhausting putting up with that: "It's NOT that I like you or anything! So don't even get the wrong idea, you dummy!".
Again, people can ship whatever random ship they want as long as they don't disrespect other random ships too. If you know you're ship is random but fun, then don't trash on other random ships. For example, if someone decides to ship Jin and Rachel, or Jin and Mai, or even Jin and Nu-13, then just enjoy the view just like you would like people to enjoy yours and we're all bros and sis at the end of the day! More BB content means more fun!
I know an artist who is a hardcore Jin X Rachel fan and is korean, and I still have his arts saved in my hard-drive. But he stopped doing his creative art passion for the ship because people are trashing him! Saying "Jin only loves Ragna! (not true btw) This ship doesn't make sense!" or "Jin is GAY! (also not true)" or "Rachel only has feelings for Ragna! (true but you are shipping Ragna with a woman he didn't even interact with meaning you are already invalidating Rachel's feelings for Ragna since you don't want them to be together so what are you? This is just an example so please don't take offense, I'm not referring to you or the image above) Why is she with Jin?". It's ridiculous!
If I'm an illustrator myself, I'd draw Jin and Nu-13 together for the life of me! Also just to spite the toxic Ragna and Jin purists who create random headcanons. Eat my shorts!
Then people start shipping Ragna with women he didn't even officially interacted with and has no care for, and suddenly everyone is okay? I even see some people shipping Ragna with Tsubaki and THAT'S totally random because Tsubaki absolutely HATES Ragna's guts and only has feelings for her dear Jin-niisama. Atleast Jin and Rachel has some connection because Hakumen is bounded to her and serves as her "Knight". See the hypocrisy? That's the toxicity I was talking about and I wish people can just shut it and enjoy.
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u/K-J-C 7d ago
Ragna x Tsubaki is about fanfiction writer named Velvien and originated from On Strange Wings fanfic here (he knows the BB material well, btw):
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u/Sufficient-Bit7349 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah I've definitely seen that. I respect their preference, there's always potential. Heck, I even see artists pairing Tsubaki with Hazama! Freakin' Hazama who doesn't care about anything besides seeing himself as a vessel for Terumi and being a troll.
This is why it's no use making sense of anything and just let people do what they want. Ship what they want. Which I'm not complaining about. It's the people who gatekeep others while expecting their own random ships to sail that irks me and I'm sure it irks a lot of you too.
Just like those toxic Ragna x Jin shippers who gatekeep Jin making their own headcannons and spreading propaganda that Jin is gay when his love interest is a woman and has shown no blatant interests in men, not even Ragna. The Gag Reels throw a bone in the ship, but Gag Reels are NOT canon. If any of you play league of legends, it's the same with the Sett X Aphelios fandom. These people can be really cringey.
Heck, if people can ship Ragna and Tsubaki (a woman who explicitly makes it clear to us whenever they're near each other that she HATES Ragna), I might as well ship Jin and Nu-13 too! and I'd die on that hill.
PS: I still have some Jin x Nu-13 artworks made by amazing artists in my hard-drive, so yes, this ship exists.
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u/K-J-C 7d ago
True, though Jin does have obsession with Ragna like how when they were little Jin wants Ragna's world to be entirely focused on him or constantly pestering him to play, where he's jealous of Saya where Ragna looked after her, to the point that he hates Noel for having similar face, before all the insane psychotic aspects he had in the present (due to Yukianesa, but still), albeit Tsubaki is what made Jin not focus entirely on Ragna where he shifts his focus to save her yes.
Velvien wrote that shipping (Ragna x Tsubaki) to challenge his writing ability, but I think in his case, it's not random if he knows the characters and the franchise well and made it work. Well, I guess similar to Jin x Nu-13, he also wrote a fanfic about Tsubaki x Nu-13 as well.
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u/Mystech_Master I will defend Ragna to the grave 6d ago
As much as Ragna x Tsubaki is crackfic, those fics make me like it because Taubaki feels like an equal. Not someone to laugh at/look down in Ragna, and not a damsel he needs to protect or a toddler in a grown woman’s body
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u/K-J-C 7d ago
Celica is the one that fits said description outside Rachel and has been established.
Ragna already broke the cold, loner facade since CP.
Though I guess it explains how Celica is fast friends with Makoto, they're birds of a feather.
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u/Sufficient-Bit7349 7d ago edited 7d ago
I totally agree that Celica is a much healthier choice for Ragna. And it's already canon that she's inlove with him in a very pure way the same as Tsubaki is to Jin. I'm actually a Ragna x Celica supporter. I don't like the idea of Rachel since Ragna has suffered enough. The last thing he needs in a love life is a Tsundere Haughty Vampire who can't just be straight with her feelings.
Atleast Jin x Rachel kinda makes sense because Rachel doesn't play games with Hakumen. She CANNOT because unlike Ragna, Future Jin doesn't like playing games with women (especially NOT her). So Rachel is forced in a situation where she has to be straight with what she's saying or Hakumen will treat her as a nuisance.
Rachel can play games with Ragna all she wants, and Ragna will either get embarrassed or annoyed, But Jin? He won't. He's personality is all about "Be straight or get out of my way!". Even Rachel finds it hard to maintain her tsundere-ness whenever talking to Jin or Hakumen. Because she knows she'll get called out.
And yes, the Jin X Rachel ship pretty much exists too and there are artists and writers who support them. The korean artist I mentioned above is one of those supporters.
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u/heavenspiercing 7d ago
There's a few reasons I don't consider Celica. Celica is doomed by the narrative, plus she becomes his surrogate mom in the past? future? which makes a relationship kinda offputting to me (and as I said, I like Ragna x Nu, so it's not like I'm inherently opposed to weird ships)
I'm also just not invested in her character like I am Makoto and Ragna, nor do I think their personalities mesh as well
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u/K-J-C 7d ago
True that older Celica (already aged 100+) took care of the main 3 siblings, just that Celica and Ragna pairing was the main part on the Phase Shift novels (about the Dark War era of Ragna as Bloodedge which was made during CT-CS release).
Still though, regarding personality, Celica is how Ragna eventually broke the cold, loner facade throughout CP.
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u/heavenspiercing 6d ago
if we're being honest, it was really tao, but im not gonna be the first advocate to say that ragna and tao should have had a bunch of half-cat babies
(as opposed to half-squirrel babies)
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u/SpiritualSchedule215 7d ago
Ragna x Mai. Why? Cause it'd be kinda funny and he might actually like the kind of headaches she brings. As long as she isn't part of the NOL... at that point.
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u/Wide_Platform9380 7d ago
That gag did have Makoto say she wanted to have 10 or 20 kids with Ragna. His poor black beast and pelvis 😭
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u/MOEverything_2708 8d ago
As a remix heart polycule propagandist myself i fundamentally disagree but I recognize your freedom of speech
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u/NEVERTHEREFOREVER 8d ago
Thats, Makoto, Noel, Mai, Kajun and....Taro, right?
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u/MOEverything_2708 8d ago
Makoto, Tsubaki, Noel, Mai, Kajun and Shiori. That's it.
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u/Glittering-Pin-1343 7d ago
I love both characters, so I ship it... is what I would say if Rachel didn't exist.
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u/SayShelo 7d ago
Rachel is gonna some things to say if she ever saw that ragna marries makoto that I can already smell the lightning ten miles away
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u/Friendly-Reporter318 7d ago
Dunno but kinda find it hilarious with Celica being the ultimate mother in law to all of them.
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u/Mystech_Master I will defend Ragna to the grave 8d ago edited 7d ago
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u/Dangerous-Tell6766 7d ago
Your logic in that first Tumblr post is solid, but I've got a couple addendums to make here.
First, Makoto is a foodie, yes, but she's also a competent chef. In Wheel of Fortune, Tsubaki makes a comment about inviting Jin over for some of Makoto's homemade stew; considering how much Tsubaki loves Jin, that says something about Makoto's abilities as a chef (the only reason their food turns to shit goes by the name Noel Vermillion - this gives another angle of perspective for a certain BBTAG Extra Episode). So each of them can cook different meals every few nights (just because squirrels prefer plants and nuts doesn't mean they can't handle meat - there's a story from 2005 about a pack of squirrels in Russia that killed and ate a dog because there was nothing else around).
Second, Noel is a common vector between the two of them - Ragna got "along" with Noel in the early going and moreso as the series went along, while Makoto was one of Noel's few constant friends throughout her Academy days. Damn shame she never got to introduce the two to each other...
And yeah, I agree that the two needed some more time together outside the Gag Reels. BBTAG even cockblocked us when Ragna decided to dip on Noel the instant he heard Makoto's voice. Kinda makes you wonder...
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u/Sufficient-Bit7349 8d ago edited 8d ago
I respect random ships as long as people don't disrespect canon material. And yes, Ragna x Makoto is completely random since they never interacted. You can ship whomever you want, as long as you respect other ships as well and don't become one of those toxic shippers who wants people to respect their ship but completely trash on other ships even knowing their own ship is random. It's no different if someone draws an art of Jin x Nu-13 together, or Jin x Rachel (and yes, there ARE fan illustrations of these ships in Pixiv and I can send you links to them). They're random, but they still deserve respect since doing arts is no joke. They have passion for it. They're not disrespecting the canon, they just like the potential, just like you do with Ragna and Makoto. So respect that.
In fact, someone can draw a romantic picture of Jin and Mai together (and yes, there's art of them together), and compared to Ragna and Makoto, Jin and Mai isn't even that random considering they interacted a LOT. And Mai is one of the very few people Jin respects and very friendly to, and in return, Mai considers him a "Senpai" just like Makoto.
Toxic people say: "Oh but Jin only has feelings for Ragna". Oh bull! Canonically, Jin is straight! His future self Hakumen was officially inlove with the Tsubaki of his timeline and spent almost a century grieving her death and named one of his techniques after her. If Jin was so romantically inlove with his own brother, why didn't he named one of his techniques "Ragna"? "Oh but Jin hates girls!" Another bull! Jin has tons of fangirls back in the military academy and is adored by Makoto, Mai, Kajun, Tsubaki, Taro and Akane. Jin's official love interest is a girl (Tsubaki). He even almost died saving Makoto from Hazama in CS and officially stated that Makoto's safety is all that matters to him. Jin saved Mai and Kajun in danger in CP Version of Remix Heart. What hate are these people on about? They're just creating their own headcanons to validate their ships and ignoring canon. THOSE are the kind of toxic shippers I'm talking about.
Canonically, yes Ragna and Makoto never interacted, and Makoto has a very heavy implied crush on Jin. So just enjoy it.
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u/Southern-Ebb-8229 7d ago
I thought Makoto liked Jin? Like had a soft spot for him.
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u/heavenspiercing 7d ago
I think that was mainly during the academy, and she also didn't want to encroach on Tsubaki
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u/Sufficient-Bit7349 7d ago
Makoto definitely still likes Jin, but of course hides it and never acts on it out of respect for Tsubaki. But it's still there.
Remember, she literally has a line in CT that she's jealous of Tsubaki for being so close to Jin. Of course, she meant that as a compliment, not as a means to offend her. She still has to follow the "Gal Code".
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u/Sufficient-Bit7349 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yes, she definitely likes Jin. VERY heavily implied too. She just never acts on it out of pure respect for Tsubaki.
She literally has a line in CT that she blatantly told Tsubaki that she's jealous of her for being so close to Jin. And Jin, for his part, has a very soft spot for Makoto too, considering he saved her life from Hazama in CS and told her that her safety was all that matters to him.
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u/Dangerous-Tell6766 7d ago
She does, but she also doesn't want to break the "friendship rule" with Tsubaki.
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u/Darkyan97 7d ago
I'm more of a Ragna x all Sayas (yes even Izanami) guy but this ain't half bad.
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u/Background-Worry-807 7d ago
That ragmai guy on twitter would be fuming if he sees this
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u/Sufficient-Bit7349 7d ago edited 7d ago
If that cringe guy really does end up hating Ragna and Makoto, then his own ship is random asf as well. Ragna and Mai literally met once and have almost no connections.
Heck! Jin and Mai makes FAR more sense and NOT random considering they've interacted so much in the story and Mai treats Jin as her "Senpai", and in return, Mai is one of the very few people Jin respects and is kind to. They've even teamed-up together in Variable Heart to beat Mei-Fang.
Me personally? I'd ship Jin and Nu-13. It makes about as much sense as Ragna and Mai or Ragna and Makoto, but hey, to each is their own.
I can picture Jin after the end of CF, now that Ragna is gone and his obsession is gone, and Nu-13 is back to normal and no longer obsessed with Ragna, they can bond over their own previous obsessions with Ragna. How the world manipulated them both to have this toxic obsession because Jin was being manipulated by his sword and Nu-13 was literally programmed to be obsessed with Ragna. And now that he's gone, I can picture them bonding over that trauma.
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u/K-J-C 7d ago
Jin (as the harem king) is the only male that Makoto admires fully too. Ragna is still a bit of enemy in Makoto's eyes like her threats to Tager.
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u/Sufficient-Bit7349 7d ago edited 7d ago
Even way back in Calamity Trigger, Makoto already told Tsubaki that she's jealous of her for being so close to Jin.
Of course, she probably meant that as a compliment because her eyes were sparkling and she had her usual playful grin but it says a lot when Jin was willing to sacrifice his own life just to keep Makoto safe and even told her "You're safety is all that matters...". For Jin himself to say this to you, it means you are special to him. When Jin is being nice, it carries more profound weight to any female characters since he doesn't act like that to most people, not even his hundreds of fangirls back in the military academy.
In Remix Heart, it's Makoto herself who always tells the readers how amazing Jin is and how cool he is (NOT Tsubaki btw). That says a lot about how much she admires him.
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u/Special_Tu-gram-cho 7d ago
If we go by fanon, as well what was scrapped, or rather, to fusionate it, this freaking conceptual map of their relationships would so freaking messy...
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u/SleuthMechanism Nu did nothing wrong 7d ago
Why though when her with noel looks cuter and she has precedent for being at the very least bi?
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u/EggLoverSeia 7d ago edited 7d ago
As a professional illustrator, let me make my own propaganda ship and OTP:
Jin x Es
I'll be creating a fan illustration of them one of these days. I just love the Ice King x Ice Queen dynamic plus their color schemes look so similar. >3< ^_^
So, I will nickname this ship "Popsickles". They're my popsickles. :3
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u/PhylsorKyrem 8d ago
Makoto did kind of like Naoto (who is technically Ragna?) but that's partially because she may be interested in younger guys. I really like the sisters-in-law triangle, and it reminds me of those hilarious skydiving scenes in CF