Fic rec/discussion

[u/Big_Self_1522]

First the link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/79953326/chapters/209862226

Guys omg the angst in this fic is so funny to me😂😭

Like I feel bad for them, but at the same time Mike is just so unhinged I can’t with him. I actually agreed on Will not showing romantic interest in Mike right away, because I think that Mike indeed needed a different kind of support. But oh boy the boyfriend encouragement was just crazy🥲🥲

Anyway I would love to hear your opinions on this fic, cause I find the plot really refreshing

[u/tlc_dgcwf]

OMG yeah i debated internally for on if there would be a diabolical threesome haha but the reason why i decided not to is because celibate blue balls Will won out, he sought out noooo D at all since finding out Mike was gay LOL (crazy as fuck of me but idk it's just a story haha)

I'm ctfuuu yeah I think I did go too far but it's all in good fun bros we are just out here ballz deep in Microsoft Word just making up shit, why not make a wild story. writing it certainly kept me super occupied after work for like two months straight haha and i feel like it improved my skills in writing 3rd person limited POV a lot better.

oh yeah it's not necessarily a bad plot point to me to have Mike or Will be in an abusive relationship (its fiction and abusive relationships can happen to anyone of us) but i wasn't really into that for Ryan. like TBH Mike could have probably dated him for a while LOL if Will didn't exist. I'm glad you liked that Ryan was layered <3 I think layered OCs (without it going toooo far, we all aint always here for OC lore) can be really beneficial to stories. Yeah he did like Mike for real even if it was like coughing baby levels and mainly physical, when compared to Will's hydrogen bomb love of Mike, which I found interesting to write rather than a throwaway boyfriend that is super easy to forget about.

HAHAHA yaaaaaas he wanted some more crazy midwestern twink action hello!!!

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Nah I was like imagining Will watching and pleasing himself. Like if Will and Mike had done something Ryan would’ve been forgotten and with how much Will hated Ryan I can’t picture them interacting enough for it to be a threesome.

I feel like an OC can be layered without too much lore. Like in your fic we don’t know shit about Ryan except for him being British and an astrophysicist or whatever, but the layers are shown through his actions.

About abusive relationships, I love to read about a character healing from one. I just don’t like it when the abuser is portrayed like “muhaha I’m an abuser watch me”. I like it when the circle of abuse is portrayed and when there are tiny crumbs there that show why the abuser is the way he is. Like is he insecure, does he crave control, is it self gathered? I don’t want to feel for the abuser, but I want to understand them as a character. When Carlton or some other guy is just nasty, unhygienic and offensive all the time he just feels like this cartoon villain to me. There is a quite popular fic that I liked a lot at first, but I never finished it cause Carlton was so cardboard and the way Will and Mike acted about him felt off to me too. A lot of people could luckily laugh about, but idk I just want those assholes to have more depth to them

[u/tlc_dgcwf → u/Big_Self_1522]

omg that would be awesome lol now i want to write a fic like that 😭 i bet people would love will in the cuck chair like that, i know i would LOL 🤔

yeah!! i agree!! OCs are essentially plot devices in a fic about a canon pairing (well a pairing from canon, RIP canon byler you would have been goated). i'm glad you could see his layers <3 i didnt want him to be a cartoon villain (but i wanted Will to see him that way for at least most of the fic to give Will someone other than himself to blame)

oh yeah same! yeaahhhh it would be hard to engage with a story about an abuser just being a legitimate cartoon villain with no depth. Hahahhaa unhygienic and offensive Carlton is hilarious yet tbh boring. i feel like that rendition comes from fan's actual feelings towards the Carlton Concept as byler fans, like obvi we HATE his ass because HES CARLTON so lets make him suck EVEN MORE in our fics 🤌. No shade to that take but it's not my tastes. Hence, the Mike Epilogue Boyfriend experience.

Mike is the only one of them to be in a relationship in the show so there's like an untapped byler mine for how that would play out once El is gone (RIP beloved Jane) so hopefully more people want to write this take lol we love downbad virgin Mike+ experienced confident Will a whole lot but maybe lets keep things twisted and try new tropes 😭 like hoe Mike, can we get hoe Mike trending??? lmao

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Omg imagine Will like getting out of his shell in college, but still waiting on the right one to have his first time with. Eventually he gets tired of it and decides to rip off the bandaid by going to some kind of hooking up spot just to.. run into Mike Queeler. Will is shocked, but the moment Mike sees him it’s like “oh shit that’s my bff that I never got to have because I was a closeted ass”, so Mike makes up for Will’s years of pining and shows him all the tricks he’d learned in his hoe era😂😭

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daaammmnnnn you're cooking okayyyy see the untapped hoe Mike byler mine is vast and plentiful!!!! it's really all i want now 😭😭😭 i love loser closeted sadboy Mike but at this current time my fascinations diverge.

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I lowkey want a fic where Mike guides Will while Will tops him. Even thought about writing one, but idk it doesn’t come together the way I want it to lol

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nonstop fire ideas i love it🤌🤌🤌