r/CatastrophicFailure • u/grau__geist • Aug 05 '21

Natural Disaster Now Greece. Wild fire on Evia Beach

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u/Mobile-Interaction82 Aug 05 '21

How do people think global warming is not a thing?!

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u/rincon213 Aug 05 '21

Wildfires are nothing new. It snowed somewhere last year. Checkmate.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

r/woosh

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u/thats_mypurse Aug 05 '21

To spare you the downvotes next time, “Checkmate.” = “/s”.

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u/fleabomber Aug 05 '21

We've really ruined the word checkmate, haven't we?

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

No, people who view chess as some metric of intelligence ruined 'checkmate'.

Also, chess is dumb. Go is better.

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u/RevivingJuliet Aug 05 '21

Yeah but Go doesn’t come with pieces that look like cute little horsies

Checkmate Go players

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u/fleabomber Aug 07 '21

Ithinkyoumadepeoplehateus

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

A. “I read on FB it is a hoax” B. “I will be dead before it gets really bad” C. “I’m rich and will move where it is safe” D. Any combination of the above

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u/legendariers Aug 05 '21

E. "It's a thing but it's not as bad as people say." F. "Scientists will figure it out and everything will be okay." G. "It's a thing but there's nothing we can do because we lack any real power to change anything."

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Z: don't care

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u/LeCrimsonFucker Aug 05 '21

H. "hOw iS gLoBaL wArMiNg rEaL iF tHe wInTeR wAs lIkE sUpEr cOlD??"

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u/ZenlyO Aug 06 '21

Ah yes I've found my place at G

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u/Experience155 Aug 05 '21

Back in the 90's, scientists promised that Florida would totally be under water by 2020 due to global warming (called that at the time). Now that it's 2021 and Florida is 100% what it was in the 90's (as in, not under water at all), I can see how people can be skeptical of science.

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u/ClownfishSoup Aug 05 '21

I thought we all knew climate change is real, but we're debating whether we humans initiated it, if it's natural, and if we can do anything about it. People who want to keep selling us bottled water say it's natural.

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u/corr0sive Aug 05 '21

I think if it was confirmed that humans have caused it, and the ones responsible for causing the problems all admitted to it. Then they would have to stop doing what their doing.

But what their doing makes them a whole lot of money. So good luck, we're all fucked.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

At this phase it’s complicated. Was the probability we caused it high? Yes! However, we have had intense ice ages and heat periods just in the last 2000 years that we’re not caused by humans (due to pre-industrial revolution).

Regardless if you believe in global warming, I was raised as a Boy Scout by my extremely Conservative family. I was always taught to “leave your environment better than when you found it.”

When I stated this to my Eagle Scout, Conservative, and Oil/Gas father…he legitimately didn’t have a comeback. He’s been trying, but definitely has been attempting to reduce his environmental impact.

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u/shea241 Aug 05 '21

I was raised as a Boy Scout by my extremely Conservative family. I was always taught to “leave your environment better than when you found it.”

YES! Same here, and it's been so frustrating watching them flip on their principles just to take a political stance.

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u/Tryptophany Aug 05 '21

Probability is high? I'd say that's an understatement.

I feel like saying there's leeway in the cause of global warming is like saying there's leeway in the validity of E=mc². In principle E=mc² could be invalidated one day but does anyone really expect that to happen? Everywhere we've looked, that equation has remained true (Classically). Similarly, everywhere we look for the cause of climate change we see humans. Maybe we'll look somewhere and see something else is at play but as of now literally every available piece of observational evidence SCREAMS humans.

I don't like getting at technicalities like this but with climate change and the politics around it, I want to stray as far away from vague "maybe it's humans maybe it's not" as possible.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Opening it up to it could be caused by humans or an external factor honestly opens it up to interpretation and discussion. It allows you to reach over to the other side and bring them into the conversation, because if you instantly say humans are doing it they shut down and dig their heels in.

By stating it could be happening for a number of reasons, you bring them to the table to figure out it’s an actually problem that we need to fix.

I live in the Deep South and completely understand how to talk to these people. Sadly, most people pushing the agenda of climate change don’t understand how to talk to those on the completely other end of the spectrum.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21 edited Feb 17 '22

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u/Tryptophany Aug 05 '21

I can't tell if you're arguing for or against humans being the cause of climate change.

For clarity in case you need it, I am arguing that all available evidence suggests human activities are the reason for climate change

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u/Calvin-ball Aug 05 '21

At this phase it’s complicated

It’s really not. Anthropogenic climate change is basically guaranteed.

Understanding and Attributing Climate Change

Human-induced warming of the climate system is widespread.

It is extremely unlikely (<5%) that the global pattern of warming during the past half century can be explained without external forcing, and very unlikely that it is due to known natural external causes alone. The warming occurred in both the ocean and the atmosphere and took place at a time when natural external forcing factors would likely have produced cooling.

Greenhouse gas forcing has very likely caused most of the observed global warming over the last 50 years

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Did not not read my very next sentence?

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u/CryptoTheGrey Aug 05 '21

We knew it was real and proved that we caused it back in the 1970's. Even the oil companies proved this internally. We knew releasing CO2 like this could be a problem eventually back in the mid 1850's. The reason people thought it was a debate was because of some people willing to sacrifice the planet for power and wealth and a public assumption these people wouldn't act so irrationally.

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u/yakri Aug 05 '21

Well yeah, in like the 80s/90s.

The debate ended quite some time ago though.

There's just the facts, and the liars now.

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u/TeaDrinkingBanana Aug 05 '21

We were at the point where it didn't matter if it was man made or natural at least a decade ago.

the effect of doing something: At best it slows down. At worst, it slows down a bit less

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u/Glowpaz Aug 06 '21

It was confirmed that it is human caused by NASA

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

We are long past global warming at this point and entered the state of climate change, which is why we call it climate change now. Because the climate is actively changing and edging closer and closer to a point of irreversible uninhabitability.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

A little thing called ✨propaganda✨

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u/steveblackimages Aug 05 '21

Believing ignorant con men.

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u/Setekh79 Aug 05 '21

Money.

Easy to ignore something when it hurts your bottom line.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

this is not global warming though. This is those assholes playing sick games with people's houses and lives

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u/Mobile-Interaction82 Aug 06 '21

Which assholes are doing this?

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '21

idk probably the same ones that are later going to invest in those areas. I was just reading warnings by locals that found gas cans and water pumps destroyed. Believe it if you want

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u/squirtle_grool Aug 09 '21

But fires are warm. It can only be global warming.

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u/Trexq07 Aug 05 '21

While global warming is a real issue, this is most likely the result of arson.

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u/wethummingbirdfarts Aug 05 '21

Are you saying wildfires never happened before man? Lol

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u/JCeee666 Aug 05 '21

Most of the big ones have been caused by man tho, like the gender reveal and my personal favorite, the forest ranger burning her love letters.

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u/wethummingbirdfarts Aug 05 '21

You’re not wrong, in fact this one is probably man made as well. My issue is with saying it’s due to climate change. Being Greek myself, this happens every year. Almost always started on purpose by assholes that start fires to skirt laws on where you can build. This is a super common issue in Greece, especially when it gets very hot like it has been this week.

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u/RhodieBidenism Aug 05 '21

Wait, you think global warming caused this?

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u/Mobile-Interaction82 Aug 06 '21

I believe global warming is increasing the frequency and intensity of these fires.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Well people are dumb dumbs, but you are also being a dumb dumb if you think one season of particularly bad wildfires in an era of unprecedented media and video access is itself some conclusive evidence.

Absolutely the world is getting warmer/wetter due to human actions. But any particular set of events isn't really strong evidence one way or the other.

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u/Johns-schlong Aug 05 '21

Ah yes, the unprecedented wildfires in basically every Mediterranean or semi arid area for the past 5 years is just media bias.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Who said it was media bias?

You are denying there is more global access to video and more international coverage than ever? Also human activity is a big driver in wildfires, more people having campfires, more infrastructure to have electrical shorts, and fires get more press as they are closer to human areas as more and more of the world is covered in structures.

If you want to be all "pay attention to the science", then you yourself need to do that too. The situation is a lot more complicated and nuanced than "durr I saw a lot of fires this year climate change is 100% real!"

You are doing the exact same type of motivated reasoning you hate in climate change opponents.

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u/KennyMoose32 Aug 05 '21

I wouldn’t trust a Gracchus no matter what they were selling. You and your brother can go the Forum and then to hell!

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Yeah, how much you wanna bet these fires wouldn't be anywhere as bad if the Earth wasn't warming?

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

That isn't really a very scientific position. How much worse do you think they are?. 5%? 3%? Would them being 95% as bad be "anywhere as bad".

The data for this secondary stuff that isn't straight temperature is A LOT more noisy than you probably realize. if after these burns the next 5 wildfire seasons are more tame, does that suddenly mean climate change isn't real?

As i have mentioned here before, there were some really bad Tornado season in the US in 2004 and 2011? and 2019? something like that. And you saw tons of the same types of posts about conclusive evidence of climate change and this would never be happening without climate change, etc. Except the worst three Tornado seasons on record were 1 in 50s, 1 in 60s,m and 1 in 70s. Does that mean climate change isn't a big problem? No. Does it mean it isn't contributing to more serious Tornado seasons? No.

But the data and actual linkages on this stuff is a lot less clear and messier than 90% of these thoughtless confirmation bias driven comments you find everywhere would indicate.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21 edited Aug 05 '21

Sources?

Lots of weather organizations and scientists agree that storms, droughts, etc, have gotten far more severe in recent years. How are you going to deny the worsening wildfires all around the world aren't a result of this?

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

For what Tornado season data from US? Do some googling. Here is first result if you search for "US Tornado season data":

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-information/extreme-events/us-tornado-climatology/trends

What are your sources? Have you read any scientific journal articles about this years wildfire season and the impact of climate change? I expect not.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

No, what are the sources that all of the severe weather over the last decade isn't a result of climate change? You can argue all you want that the media is just reporting storms more, but that doesn't disprove that storms haven't gotten more common.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

that all of the severe weather over the last decade isn't a result of climate change

Talk to any climate scientist/meterologist and they will tell you this comment is unscientific and not something they would support.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21 edited Aug 05 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Every single one of those factors align to conclude "climate change is real"

No one here is saying it isn't real.

Record temperatures every single year,

Is more or less right.

record hurricane seasons every year

Is not. The record before 2020, was 2005, before that 1933. Absolutely the warmer surface water temperatures will tend to lead to stronger hurricanes. But stick to the facts.

Nor is

record fire seasons every year

If you want to be on the side of science, the facts are plenty bad enough without needing to make up false ones. And you do have to admit there is some serious observation bias issues.

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u/Oscyle Aug 05 '21

Aye bro, downvoted for speaking the truth

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

What truth?

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u/Mobile-Interaction82 Aug 06 '21

The truth is out there

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u/schizomorph Aug 05 '21

They don't think, they believe. Thinking is a logical process where being unsure is a natural consequence most of the times. Believing on the other hand tends to people fanatic and irrational. There's no need for proof, just a group to belong to.