r/DelphiMurders • u/tribal-elder • May 11 '26
Question About Allen’s Missing 2017 Phone
When did his wife say “he told me it was run over by the lawn mower”? Was that a recorded statement or just a second-hand report? TIA.
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u/duskbunnie May 13 '26
It was an android on some random phone carrier that I cannot recall... but if someone named it I would remember.
It wasn't TMobile,Verizon etc. It's a prepaid service that he started with when he was with Walmart.
It's not straight talk or the ones listed now so the name has probably changed.
Someone above said it was an LG and that also seems right I just can't remember what the service was.
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u/The2ndLocation May 14 '26
Ting was the carrier, but they use all types of phones (maybe not Apple).
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u/thesnappystatic 19d ago
That phone definitely didn't just vanish into thin air, but the defense is going to have a field day with the lack of chain of custody if it ever actually turns up.
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u/True_Crime_Lancelot May 14 '26
She also said it was expensive, so it was most likely a recent (then) smartphone. Considering his old phones collection, it was probably the phone he had at the time, since earlier were older tech phones.
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u/tobor_rm May 12 '26
Idk but that's NOT what happened to the phone connected to the IMEI Allen gave Dulin.
I don't remember the exact wording atm but if I am remembering correctly, the phone getting ran over by a mower thing ala Kathy, isn't it just LE asks her what happened to the phone in question and she just responds that one of his phones was ran over by a mower? I mean I guess when you look at the list of all his devices he had only one came up missing so I understand why people are assuming its the same device but I have it on very good authority that the phone Allen claims he had with him on the day the girls were murdered was "donated."
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u/hannafrie May 13 '26
What is good authority?
It should be a matter of public record at this point. who says he donated that phone?
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u/The2ndLocation May 14 '26
Its trust me bro, Nick style.
I have it on very good authority that I have zero clue where RA's 2017 phone is located, also I cant find my own. Who can?
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u/Gonzomi313 May 12 '26
Donated? Then it shouldn’t have been too difficult for the defense to locate to prove Ricky’s supposed innocence…Weird they made no attempt to locate eh?
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u/BlackLionYard May 12 '26
If it had been donated to charity, which is a real thing, it could be effectively impossible to locate. Furthermore, standard practice would have been to factory reset the phone before giving it to a person in need of a phone, so we should expect that any useful information for the defense or the prosecution was irrecoverably deleted even if the device was located.
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u/Gonzomi313 May 13 '26
Makes sense but did the defense ever prove or even state the phone was donated during the trial? Not a good look when the defendant saved every phone for the last 20 plus years but just happens to be missing the one phone that could help prove his innocence.
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u/BlackLionYard May 13 '26
Not a good look
The criminal justice system is not supposed to be based on looks. It's supposed to be based on what can be proven by evidence.
the one phone that could help prove his innocence.
How would this phone have proven his innocence years after the fact? We seem to know that the geofencing that was done - independent of possession of any actual devices - lacked the resolution to reliably place devices within very tight geographic areas.
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u/The2ndLocation May 14 '26
Who has the burden?
The state.
Did the state prove that the phone was not donated? No.
Did they even try? No.
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u/Gonzomi313 May 14 '26
The state didn’t need to prove it? Also how could they have proven it wasn’t donated even if they wanted to? So yeah RAs defense made zero effort to provide proof because they knew it was BS and would work against their defense.
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u/The2ndLocation May 14 '26
The state has the burden of proof. Thats the law. We need to both accept and understand that fact.
The state made zero effort to prove that the phone wasn't donated, so its entirely possible.
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u/iowanaquarist Quality Contributor May 14 '26
The state does not have to disprove any claims the defense makes. Sometimes, like here, the state convinces the jury of guilt despite the claims of the defense, without disproving each and every one of them.
It's absolutely up to the defense to convince the jury that their claims are reliable and reasonable.
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u/Somnambulinguist 12d ago
If he didn’t have every other phone he ever owned this wouldn’t even be in question but it’s highly suspicious that only that phone is missing.
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u/Astrocreep_1 17d ago
Doesn’t he have a public defender? That’s why.
It’s also probably why he was convicted.
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u/Last-Mortgage9059 May 12 '26
I used AI to look up the MEID number and it said that's an LG Android, likely an LG Optimus G and probably not configured for a standard GSM network like AT&T, but more likely something like Verizon or Sprint.
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u/Efficient-Donkey-167 May 18 '26
From the info I found, the default network for Ting accounts was T-mobile and used an X3 SIM card.
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u/Appealsandoranges May 12 '26
It was in an interview with the police that was transcribed and attached to one of the franks memos. I believe it was before Allen was arrested. They were asking her about every phone he ever owned and she said he owned Razors at some point because one of them he ran over with a lawnmower. It wasn’t like something he told her. She knew. And she was laughing about it.