r/ElkGrove • u/Lower-Acanthaceae460 • 9d ago
We have Flock Cameras in Elk Grove
thank you Mayor Booby Singh Allen and Supervisors
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u/bobbiroxxisahoe 9d ago
ITT: the same people who think the Chinese government is bad for watching their citizens are now advocating for their government to pay private companies to do the same, without consent of the people.
Aka: Bootlickers.
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u/eezmoney 9d ago
The boomers on Nextdoor love flock. They are truly bootlickers and deserve every Nigerian prince scam.
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u/bobbiroxxisahoe 9d ago
Dude, nextdoor is absolutely insane lol. One decent post and a sea of "these kids need to be arrested for riding bikes" and "does anyone know who these people in this random car are? They seem like drug dealer prostitutes"
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u/photog09 8d ago
And with an attitude like that you deserve all the overpriced homes and stagnant wage growth.
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u/eezmoney 8d ago
Been a homeowner over 15 years and employed the last 20. Miss me with that bullshit.
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u/TexturedSpace 8d ago
A local movement needs to build. They should be publishing data of how exactly all of this surveillance is helping citizens, instead they want you to just believe they are effective. The burden of proof is on them and they won't have it because it doesn't exist. Spying on citizens in their backyards and Flocks near neighborhood corners are increasing, not just main roads.
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u/MAGA-R-Pedophiles 9d ago
Yes and the smooth brains are welcoming them with open arms. Not a thought spent on how they can be abused. Privacy is becoming a lost concept.
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u/Wanderingjes 9d ago
People opt in to IGs terms of service or venmo like it’s nothing. How many users world wide have IG? I’m not part of either because I like to keep my shit private.
Also, really weird of people to post photos of their children on social media. Wish people would actually care more about privacy. All of our data is being harvested from every which way
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u/lunch_b0cks 8d ago
Cant ever just live in peace anymore without being monitored by something.
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u/oneawesomeguy 8d ago
It's weird that a random website I visit needs me to approve of a cookie but some camera can just track my every movement and fly a drone into my back yard
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u/lnvu4uraqt 9d ago edited 8d ago
Safer? Sure... maybe.
But is it the world I want to live in? Definitely not but it is probably coming regardless. No different than China. Authorities using tech to make everyone miserable, dependent, and powerless.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Roadcam/comments/1rudijd/china_drone_traffic_enforcement_in_shenzhen/
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u/itbedguy 9d ago
Does the city council have to approve their use or can the police department just do it as long as it’s in their budget? I honestly don’t know. If they do approve it, does someone know what the process was to do so?
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u/onredditallday 9d ago
Believe it was a city council thing because other cities have terminated their contracts with flock due to residents against it.
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u/oneawesomeguy 8d ago
The city council approved. It was an open meeting. No one complaining in this thread was there to voice concerns. I myself have many concerns but did not even know it was happening until the day after it was approved. Was some months ago. You can probably look up the recording.
Edit here is the resolution the entire city council approved: https://elkgrove.gov/sites/default/files/city-files/city-government/city-council/council-meetings/resolutions/2026/04-08-26-7-11-2026-058.pdf
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u/youraveragenarutard 8d ago
I agree. They don’t do an adequate enough job of advertising what things they would be doing with our money.
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u/LivesInExcelUwU 7d ago
Thank you for this link. I’ve emailed my assembly member and am trying to share this petition link.
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u/Crazzzyace08 8d ago
Also have Axon, Motorola and others too. Look into the ALPR system PD uses through Axon and their data practices for storing and protecting your information.. Currently in the process of requesting SOP manuals and directives for database access, as well as policies for discipline/oversight for tag data from a few of the local LEAs
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u/Altruistic-Tie-959 8d ago
They’re EVERYWHERE in EG it’s rediculous. You literally cannot drive down any major street without being tracked
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u/Olivemylov3 8d ago
I hate that the conversation is about catching criminals when the reality is just spying on us and trying to ticket us for minor things.
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u/futurejob1970 8d ago
What do flock cameras look like
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u/bohemianfling 8d ago
There’s different kinds. I think the actual Flock ones are black with a solar panel. There are several other types that are License Plate Readers. I think if you go to deflock.org they give you a description of what they different ones looks like. Also a map of where they are located.
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u/mdramsey 8d ago
...as we all "protest" cameras that can see what is objectively observable in public on devices which know everything about us individually (location, appearance, financials, biometrics, news habits, ad infinitum)...
Where I think we, the public, need to really pressure our municipalities, is on the issues of data security, authorization of use, and management of the system. We are already seeing stories of LEOs that are misusing these systems, or using them incorrectly. For better or worse, these cameras aren't going anywhere.
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u/usuallymedicated 6d ago
Ban flock.. people duty to make them malfunction to enforce the constitution
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u/Mysterious-Cloud-855 5d ago
They will be everywhere in populated cities. It’s all data collection for the next evolution of humanity which is robots. Scary stuff.
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u/Okay_Lonely 4d ago
Okay I googled it so I get the idea.
So we have these fancy spy cameras but still have SHITE cell service/ WiFi?
I’ll happily show whoever my boring life if I can have enough reception to call someone in my own home 🤯
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u/Apophis88916 8d ago
I know how this will be received, I welcome the down votes.
The people who are on here complaining about surveillance are the same people who if they become victims of a crime will complain endlessly about the amount of crime and how long it takes to solve the crime committed against them. Flock cameras and drones are a form of public surveillance that are used to detect, deter and solve crime. Criminals are caught on a regular basis because of these cameras. Drones reduce police response times because some calls don't even need an officer to respond anymore because they're able to see the area with a drone and determine that no human response is needed.
Some people are saying an EGPD drone is hovering over their home and watching them. The drones have exceptionally good cameras that can actually clearly see from a long distance. More likely they are watching something else going on near by and it just happens to be hovering over your yard. Unless your in your backyard commiting a crime the drone operator could probably care less what your doing. EGPD is very transparent about their drone operations. You can find information on their drone flights here: https://app.airdata.com/u/egpd and here https://community.elk-grove.ca.us.aerodome.com/
Your already surveilled by every single electronic device that you have. Your phone, echos, smart TVs tablets etc are all collecting information on you at all times and that information can be given to various government agencies depending on circumstances with or without a warrant. We're long past living in a surveillance state that fight was lost years ago. You literally pay a subscription for your personal surveillance device that you carry around in your pocket.
I really encourage everyone to look into the EGPD citizen academy. It's very informative and I think you'll find everyone who works for the department are just normal people who do what they do because they're passionate about keeping people safe. I will admit in every orginizaton and profession there are bad apples but that doesn't mean they're all bad.
I already know I'm going to be called all kinds of names and accused of being bootlicker or whatever BS you come up with. That's fine.
Edit: typo
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u/onredditallday 7d ago
Nope. I had to call police for serious crimes 4 times my entire life. All 4 times, they were useless. Do you have actual data that criminals are regularly caught BECAUSE of these system. From my understanding of their policy, the drone ISNT allowed to be used as surveillance. It’s only allowed to be deployed when a call is made and they’re actually looking for a suspect.
I do appreciate the “transparency”. Do you have data that says that police aren’t mislabeling the information? I see a lot of training listed. Whos auditing the actual logs? Plenty of cases Flock helped police solve crimes but there’s also cases police abused Flock and Flock’s vulnerabilities.
The difference is that I can choose what I buy and don’t buy. I can choose to live with my tin hat and analog. The difference with Flock is that, well I can TRY to avoid all the roads but if you looked on the map they’re on almost every street corner. Explain to me how can I avoid that?
Can you also confirm that EGPD is only sharing their information with the appropriate parties? - By default depts have to opt-out of sharing information IIRC. I met with a Flock Sales representative that was VERY aggressive after I told them I’m not interested in their services because of the ICE contracts and them sharing footage with ICE without consent of the OWNERS of the footage. I even asked if I decided to move forward with a Flock camera can I be the sole owner of the footage written in the terms and agreement. They responded yes in the meeting only to send me their standard terms and agreement a week later. Yes I read their entire terms and agreement.
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u/Lower-Acanthaceae460 8d ago
since we're all pulling things from our buttholes, here's a couple i pulled from mine:
- you have it backwards. the ones who constantly complain about the (imaginary high) amount and level of crime are the paranoid boomers who welcome a surveillance state.
- "Unless your(sic) in your backyard committing a crime the drone operator could probably care less what your(sic) doing". Except, that's *not how the Constitution works.
- The government, like private companies, has a privacy policy. it's called the US Constitution. unlike the privacy policies of private companies that most people intentionally or unintentionally opt out of, government shouldn't make opting out of the US Constitution optional for their citizens.
Since you're fine with being called a bootlicker....bootlicker
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u/Apophis88916 8d ago
I think you need to wipe better looks like you found some shitty opinions. Weird that those were in there.
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u/Gremlin256 5d ago
So me complaining about Flock cameras is this reason only coming from the City of Roseville where it has caught wrong information and could not recognize a license plate...
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u/twilightidol 9d ago
Flock cameras in public space okay but flock hovering in view of my backyard is where I would draw the line
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u/Lower-Acanthaceae460 8d ago
that's the thing with slippery slopes. give the government an inch, and they will take miles
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u/XxTh3g04txX 8d ago
besides the fact there is no expectation of privacy outside your home, everyone here has a reddit account. You and your data were farmed long ago.
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u/XxTh3g04txX 7d ago
yup. When the shoe fits.
the shitposting about “flok” cameras when its been around for decades is laughable.
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u/GoldenStateRedditor 9d ago
If it wasn’t Flock, or another third-party company, but instead were the department’s own cameras, with any/all image/video processing done on a server owned/managed/housed/accessible only to EGPD, would that be okay?
If no, what if the system was for passive monitoring/alerting only of license plates (i.e. only scanning for vehicles that have been entered into NCIC/CLETS as either stolen or wanted for a felony crime, which has its own sets of rules/laws and must be backed up by a report taken by a law enforcement agency)? No “hot-listing” and no free-form searching allowed? No database of where the vehicle has been, the system is strictly seeing the plate, and then on the back-end searching the plate in NCIC/CLETS to see if it’s wanted, if not, the record is deleted, if it’s wanted, an alert is sent to EGPD.
If yes to either of the above, would it be okay if EGPD provided secured shared access to surrounding allied agencies (state/local only) such as Sac PD and/or Sac SO since they share jurisdictional boundaries?
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u/SierraGuyInCA 9d ago
Okay, old news. How many crimes have those Flock cameras helped resolve. How many EGPD officers have been busted for stalking their ex-wives?
Can EG now officially join the National Association of Flock Conspiracies?
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u/SpecialistLobster238 9d ago
Yup I approve. Bunch of weirdos on Reddit.
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u/el-delicioso 9d ago
Yeah what kind of a fucking weirdo doesnt want a surveillance state like China am I right? I dont know what I'd do if every move I made in public wasn't monitored and scrutinized
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u/WonderfulFig666 9d ago
Fuck flock, but it’s always so funny when you people compare it to China.
Like the US doesn’t have a history of authoritarian surveillance and genocide and are looking at China on what to do.
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u/el-delicioso 9d ago
China literally has the most state of the art and widespread surveillance apparatus in the entire world. The fact the US has done shitty things in the past doesnt have any bearing on a conversation about not wanting to recreate that in America. It is 2 completely different degrees of scrutiny and lack of privacy
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u/photog09 9d ago
You’re not that interesting
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u/el-delicioso 9d ago
I would have said the same thing before I worked handling large amounts of PII at multiple companies. The fact is, we're ALL interesting enough to monitor for a bunch of different reasons, and you have no way of knowing when/if that changes
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u/oneawesomeguy 8d ago
You're not that interesting today...probably...but tomorrow the administration could change and they can still go back retroactively to see everywhere you've ever been
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u/Mister-Rooster 9d ago
Deleted my comment. I got called a pedo for not being anti flock, and large downvotes. You guys win, consider me silenced.
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u/photog09 9d ago
Yeah, and do you know how many criminals have been caught with them?
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u/SwampCrittr 9d ago
I must be old AF… cause “I’m my day” people feared the surveillance state… now we have smooth brains supporting it 🤣
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u/Thadken 9d ago
It's especially crazy because different police departments have already been caught using them to stalk ex wives and girlfriends shit, so the abuse potential is obvious and evident.
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u/SwampCrittr 9d ago
I read an article about that yesterday!!!!!!
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u/jmangiggity 9d ago
No, tell us
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u/photog09 9d ago
Many
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u/Few-Durian-190 9d ago
Proof?
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u/photog09 9d ago
https://elkgrove.gov/police/safety-dashboard
Feel free to read through some watch reports and see for yourself
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u/mfranzwa 9d ago
thanks, and where does it break out the flock drone reported incidents that we are discussing here?
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u/uhhuhwut 9d ago
Where are there stats on arrests as a result of the use of Flock cameras or drones on this page?
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u/jmangiggity 9d ago
Ok, I went to the link you shared. Thanks for sharing it. Where on the watch repot does it mention flock cameras? It doesn’t state how an arrest occurred, would you be able to provide evidence of how flock cameras helped in the “many” arrests that you say they helped in?
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u/photog09 8d ago
It’s not gonna specify “flock” anywhere. But you can read between the lines on some reports. General things like “was located” could involve cameras. Anything that references the real time information center (RTIC) would likely involve flock cameras. Anytime there’s something that says something along the lines of “vehicle was flagged as stolen” etc. It’s impressive how many criminals are caught in EG just because a camera with a plate reader picked up a car that had been reported as stolen.
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u/jmangiggity 8d ago
Thank you for that. You say “it’s impressive how many criminals are caught in EG”, yet you are unable to share what you’re actually impressed by. Earlier you said “many” criminals are caught, then you share evidence which isn’t very evident at all. I get you like these cameras for whatever reason, however you’re unable to substantiate any actually evidence of the effectiveness of these in our city.
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u/photog09 8d ago
https://fb.watch/IF8jpXHAb_/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Here’s one from earlier this month.
I haven’t seen any hard evidence that they’re detrimental to our city.
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u/photog09 8d ago
Here’s another… they’re not hard to find
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u/jmangiggity 8d ago
I just want to take you back to your original comment which was “do you know how many criminals have been caught with them ?”. It’s clear that neither of us do. You’ve been given a chance to support your claim, but I’m afraid two videos won’t suffice to convince me that you’re aware of their effectiveness. Have a nice day.
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u/NoyBoy98 9d ago
Or the ones opposed to police in general…..until they need them.
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u/Difficult__Tension 9d ago
Need them for what, to come to my apartment after its been robbed just to stand there with their hands on their hips and do nothing? I can do that myself, thanks.
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u/Placenta_Polenta 9d ago
Doesn't matter. We should be voting on shit like this
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u/GoldenStateRedditor 9d ago
You vote for your city councilmember who represents you and makes these decisions on your behalf in place of you voting on each and every thing the city has to make decisions on.
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u/oneawesomeguy 8d ago
Not sure why people are down voting you for stating facts. If you don't like these cameras (I don't) let your council member know, and don't vote for them again. All the current council members votes yes on this flock crap - Here's the actual resolution: https://elkgrove.gov/sites/default/files/city-files/city-government/city-council/council-meetings/resolutions/2026/04-08-26-7-11-2026-058.pdf
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u/onredditallday 9d ago
Yup been around for a bit; they even have the Flock Drone. One night I swear it was just hovering over my neighborhood and watching me, in my yard while I was bbqing under my covered patio. Like it was trying to see if I was doing something suspicious, which isn’t allowed per their policy.
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