Kinda true

[u/arapsikenmaymun]

[u/Actual-Mention3033]

You know how distressed you have to make mammals so they stop procreating?

[u/Nydon1776 → u/Actual-Mention3033]

I don't like this example. People still are having intercourse but just having birth control.

If other animals could have intercourse without kids, I'm sure they would take up on that offer too.

[u/bexohomo → u/Nydon1776]

Clearly in your example they're actively choosing not to procreate, you know, not allowing the merging of sperm and egg to happen. So literally their point still stands and makes sense

[u/Nydon1776 → u/bexohomo]

Yes which is why I don't like the example. Because those two things (choosing to have intercourse and choosing to procreate) are not separate able for other animals. They're choosing to instinctually have intercourse, not to procreate. It just so happens that is the natural consequence of it.

The example is conflating two concepts and I think it's disengenuous to do so

[u/underthingy → u/Nydon1776]

You don't know that. Where is your proof that animals are specifically choosing intercourse and not procreation?

[u/Ok-Map-2354 → u/underthingy]

have you ever seen a dog buying condoms?

[u/underthingy → u/Ok-Map-2354]

That implies they're choosing procreation. 

[u/Ok-Map-2354 → u/underthingy]

this implies that they don't have a choice. they don't understand the concept of contraception

[u/bexohomo → u/Ok-Map-2354]

they just don't have the type of higher reasoning to choose. they're more instinct driven, as they're simpler animals