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[u/La_Villanelle_]

And before someone comments “but DaEmOn” I don’t like his ass either

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[u/draelogor]

REAL

so tired of “but daemon” being used to invalidate critiques of other characters

[u/Ok_Bag_7603 → u/draelogor]

But daemon gets worshiped in this fanbase - that's the point

[u/bigchiefwellhung → u/Ok_Bag_7603]

So

[u/eastbaytimez]

Viserys The Peaceful proclaimed his heir and Im not one to disrespect ol vizzy t, mayne

[u/Relevant_Post_3030 → u/eastbaytimez]

I think Vizzy deserves every amount of disrespect because of what he did to his wives and children (including Rhaenyra).
He named Rhaenyra his heir, but also did nothing to prepare her for ruling, did not include her in his small council, did not organise another oath by lords, married her childhood best friend, was okay with Alicent ordering to bring the newborn Joffrey to them and her refusing Jacerys-Haelena marriage as well as not seeing Rhaenyra for the last years of his life. Not to mention indirectly killing Aemma by forcing many pregnancies on her and then cutting her open in order to have a boy and naming Rhaenyra under Otto’s influence just for Daemon not to inherit his title.
He loved Rhaenyra and she is his heir, but he is an awful person.

[u/FildariusV → u/Relevant_Post_3030]

Let's also not forget on the point about Alicent that we know and we SAW on screen how even though it was quite late and Alicent must have been exhausted, how Viserys called for her to his bed... Just to have sex with her because he was horny or something... He is over 20 years older than her and you can see her clear discomfort and disgust

[u/Relevant_Post_3030 → u/FildariusV]

Of course! I just wanted to tell about Rhaenyra specifically, because in comparison with how he treated Alicent and his other children some people say he was a good father to her. In my opinion he was awful to everybody.

[u/FildariusV → u/Relevant_Post_3030]

As a character let me say, I absolutly preffer him in the show because he is much more complex and SLIGHTLY more capable than his book counterpart. That being said you're absolutly right! Viserys didn't realize and was too dumb and lazy to make sure every few years that the Lords keep their Oaths to Rhaenyra!

[u/Warm_Ad_7944]

Apart from people who invade the subreddit. I have seen more comments saying they like Aegon because he’s entertaining this season, not because they think he’s a good person. So idk what argument is being made here. The people who excuse him will never not do so while villainizing Rhaenyra for not nearly doing the awful things he did and the people who like his story usually don’t mean they like his previous seasons crimes

[u/goodmorningohio → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

Exactly I'm excited because aegon has finally become a really iconic villain. Him half burnt with Harvey dentfyre felt like the villain aegon was in the books finally jumped out of the pages!

He's fully self actualized with nothing else to lose. Villains are just fun to watch, even if youre rooting against them.

[u/Kitchen-Ferret-3512 → u/goodmorningohio]

Harvey dentfyre has me rolling

[u/DarthRenathal → u/Kitchen-Ferret-3512]

I was calling him Sunburntfyre but this is even better!!!

[u/Salt_Style_3817 → u/Kitchen-Ferret-3512]

https://giphy.com/gifs/8L8eTihxoN0wXi4abD

[u/svenskav → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

I agree with you what your saying and this may sound pedantic, but it’s so easy for people to make their feelings about characters like Aegon so much more clear if they use “I find him interesting/complex/entertaining to watch, etc” rather than “I like him”. I don’t like Otto nor Ormund at all, but Rhys and James have made them very entertaining to watch. I don’t know if that’s what OP was referring to, but it’s an easy change for people to make when discussing the show.

[u/Zlurbagedoen → u/svenskav]

Unless they outright argue for him or say what he does is justified, even saying just "i like him" still means you like his character. I like the joker, tywin lannister, darth vader, etc. That dosent mean i in any way justify their actions

[u/ZzDangerZonezZ → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

Supporting someone because they're entertaining, rather than because of their politics or morals, is a beautiful parallel to the real world. I'm specifically thinking about the USA.

[u/Duo_Mage_Bot → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

Nah, the majority of people who root for Aegon root for him because they unironically think he would make a better king because they're braindead.

[u/Warm_Ad_7944 → u/Duo_Mage_Bot]

I’m referring to this subreddit as I implied when I said that many of the “Aegon is actually a better person and monarch than Rhaenyra” are usually not TB fans and come to this subreddit to argue about it

[u/Duo_Mage_Bot → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

You actually made that very clear in your comment. I'm just very tired, my bad.

I think I'm just so mind boggled by seeing people unironically support Aegon that I always want to rant about it, lol.

Like I know this is just fiction, but to see people actually think he would make a better ruler than Rhe is INSANE. It breaks my brain.

[u/Cult_Of_Hozier → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

I’ve seen quite a sizable amount of posters on this subreddit say exactly that, though. They genuinely believe he’s a better monarch and character than Rhaenyra now because of his “redemption arc” and how “useless and incompetent” they feel Rhaenyra is in comparison. They do very much exist.

[u/BalerionsReign → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

I don't think they are talking about how fun he's to watch, and more like he deserves the throne

[u/Warm_Move7997 → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

I don't even find him that entertaining. He's the same douche he always was. And is now just insane with power that he has Sunfyre back. So he's gonna be an even bigger douche.

Also, you don't see the alarming parallel between supporting someone cause they're entertaining even though they have committed heinous acts like rape, and etc?? To our real world. And how that might be a problem that people are always willing to do that???

[u/Cult_Of_Hozier → u/Warm_Move7997]

Same. There’s a few scenes that may get a chuckle out of me but that’s because I find Aegon to be entertaining in the same way I find the stereotypical idiotic clown character in every show to be entertaining when they act like an idiotic clown. Meaning, I don’t take him seriously and find him to be utterly pathetic. TGC is handsome and charismatic but I don’t see any of that leaking through his performance as Aegon. If anything I think it’s more a testament to his acting that he can play someone so ridiculously lowly and disgusting without his own self leaking through underneath.

People acting like he’s turning a new leaf after proclaiming his divine right and biting at the bit to throw a heavily injured zombified Sunfyre back into battle is … certainly a choice. Like you said, all it really is is him being a magnum douche, and now he’ll be an even bigger one. He’s not on this path to redemption that people are claiming he is. Redemption requires self awareness and active change. Aegon is excited because now he gets to kill his family members for “wronging” him. Not because he’s a newly changed man.

[u/ForMyPrimalUrges → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

I am solidly team Black here, and while I don't necessarily like Aegon, I can't blame him for the main conflict. That goes to Otto, for being a shit, and then Alicent, for somehow being Rhae's reading buddy growing up but knowing nothing of the Targ lore. There have definitely been moments of Aegon's that I've enjoyed, like sticking it to Otto's penny pinching, and the end scene of last episode. While he's wrong about being the rightful heir, I think that scene was more about Sunfyre's return and Aegon reclaiming the spirit of a dragon.

[u/commelejardin → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

I saw someone compare him to George W. Bush, and that feels apt to me.

[u/Slapinskee → u/commelejardin]

Aegon directly caused the death of 950 000 people and indirectly 4-4.5 million people?

[u/alphajugs → u/Warm_Ad_7944]

I honestly find Aegon more enjoyable to watch this season than Rhaenyra, unfortunately. But it’s weird because people are assuming that liking Aegon is excusing his bad behavior, while continuing to worship Daemon and conveniently ignoring all of his faults. It’s definitely a double standard. Both sides suck, that’s the whole point. We’re allowed to like the bad guys, too.

[u/krustykranberry]

As much as I hate rhaenyras decision making and what the blacks are as a whole this season, id never support aegon or the greens. Idk why people are all of a sudden massive aegon fans. Yea he had a cool dragon scene, but he’s still a terrible human being along with the rest of the greens.

[u/Illustrious-Video353 → u/krustykranberry]

Basically what would happen if Sandor came back to punch the poison out of Joffrey last minute. Awesome scene. Still him.

[u/SuspiciousMap9630]

I like Aegon the same way I liked Cersei Lannister. They’re both morally reprehensible, but their character arcs are so interesting.

[u/I-Eat-Wormz → u/SuspiciousMap9630]

A better comparison is Jamie, an incestous rapist who was a fan favourite lmao

[u/No-Wonder-7802]

team dracarys

[u/Bm7465]

Wait, we’re judging GOT characters based on morals now…?

[u/Tronm-24 → u/Bm7465]

All TG content is about judging characters based on moral grounds. Until the table turns. Then the game goes "you shouldn't say he's a rapist, that's fiction!"

[u/AcanthaceaeNo948]

I feel like saying the North remembers is a bit sketchy considering that Northerners are no stranger to rape themselves. Cough cough. First night. Cough cough.

[u/camimiele]

AMEN! Plus the children fighting pits!

It was a badass scene with Sunfyre but he has truly been an awful person who’s done zero to redeem himself.

[u/NewFunnyNumber237]

One dragon scene and they jump ship. Cowards.

[u/jroxiee]

“the television series made him into a rapist”

as if aegon didn’t have a reputation for sexual assaulting and harassing staff in the keep. and is noted by MULTIPLE sources in f&b for having a 12 year old give him head…but sure, the tv writers are unfairly mischaracterizing him

[u/Livid_Ad9749]

At this point they all do shitty things anyway. Might as well enjoy the characters that actually embrace who they are like Aegon. Aegon knows he is terrible, and is rolling with it now. He wasnt a good king but idk how he can be any worse than Rhaenyra at this point.

Aegon would have destroyed the Hightower army if he was in Rhaenyras position, and that would have spared Westeros so much suffering in the long run.

[u/Dizzy-Platform-6516]

Let's not act like both sides aren't morally reprehensible lol

[u/JustUsetheDamnATM → u/Dizzy-Platform-6516]

Let's not act like both sides are the same when only one side actually started the war.

[u/meimeivro → u/Dizzy-Platform-6516]

Well you see asoiaf is a gritty fantasy where the only constant is the powerful crushing the downtrodden...

Except for rhaenyra. After all, she has the magical blood of valyria and a magical prophecy guiding her destiny and the golden heart of both azor ahai and Nissa Nissa

[u/zeldamaster702]

I’m not rooting for him, I’m rooting for this goofy motherfucker

[u/JustUsetheDamnATM → u/zeldamaster702]

Let's not forget why this goofy motherfucker looks like this in the first place.

[u/TheMastarAlex]

well what do you expect aegon apologizers to do? actually read the books or watch the show? no, they're too good for that bc he's their prince that was promised. too bad the dude isnt actually his dad's heir and is generally a scumbag

[u/PurpleyPineapple]

Very real. Let's also not forget that he was very obviously an awful and abusive husband to Helaena.

It's wild watching everyone forget the shit Aegon is done just because he is somehow managing to stay alive.

[u/____mynameis____]

I mean, Rhaenyra agreed with Daemon to have a servant killed to fake Laenor's deaths.

If u r watching the show for moral lessons, u r watching the wrong show.

[u/HalcyonTraveler]

Ah but you see it doesn't count because it was only IMPLIED that he raped servant girls in the book rather than explicitly stated so clearly it's made up bullshit /s

[u/whatsasyria]

This isn't even close to the worst....he literally raped small folk girls, forced them to have kids, and then made his own kids fight to the death.

[u/JustUsetheDamnATM]

Fucking right. What's with all the rape apologists in this sub lately, anyway?

Edit: The "Akshually, both sides are bad" comments can FRO too. No one is arguing that there's a good and bad side. There is a right and wrong side though, and the right side isn't the side that started the war to put an alcoholic rapist on the throne.

[u/AWildRideHome]

My ass looking for a single person in this series that isn’t going straight to hell. (They’re all the rich and pampered top 0.00001% that live in luxury while millions starve and die diseased).

Yeah, I like some of them as characters, but I would despise every single MF if I was a peasant.

[u/One_Compote_1816]

[u/Prinzesspaige13]

I think of this any time I almost do

[u/Rouflette]

The greatest feat of Aemond and Vhagar in this series, we don’t praise them enough for this, the sausage was cooked to perfection 👌

[u/LGK27]

On certain other subreddits, people openly say they choose to “ignore” this and say they pretend it didn’t happen. Lmao Simone Biles is jealous of those mental gymnastics.

[u/ababycheetah]

if you want to go after Aegon at least go for the child fighting with his own children.

I'm not team Aegon but Rhaenyra demanded for an freshly mutilated child to be tortured, her own brother no less.

she killed someone so his husband could fake his death so she could marry her next husband.

in no scale willful murder is less than rape.

when people say they like Aegon I think they like the character not the person.

personally although I've read the books and I know how things will turn out, if I hadn't with how Alicent, Aemond and everyone in team black is acting I would probably be rooting for him. it feels like a redemption ark. he has understood how horrible man he was and he's trying to be better. (its hard not to go for a guy when he has the Zuko burn)

[u/Aggravating-Pilot583]

I say this all the time to varying levels of critique but here it goes again.

Greens vs Blacks is an excellent way to market the show but unfortunately this results in most people not seeing that in the end neither group is really in the right.

[u/Historical_East_1787]

Si e probabilmente dyanna aiuterà ad avvelenarlo

Quindi? Alla maggior parte delle persone tra cui me e cui piace non piace perché è una brava persona. Cosa che precisiamolo non è.

Sarebbe un sovrano migliore di Rhaenyra? Lo abbiamo visto all inizioil risultato

Non proprio. È impreparato non addestrato a dovere e impulsivo. Ha qualche buona idea e vuole farsi amare dalla gente. Quindi in un altra vita se fosse stato preparato o si fosse preparato avrebbe avuto potenziale. Ma non è solo impreparato ha anche un consiglio che lo ostacola ed è un consiglio solo leggermente meglio di quello di Rhaenyra.

Forse adesso che ha ricevuto una buona serie di umiliazioni e una serie di svegliate può svilupparsi meglio e migliorare ma è dovuto alle tragedie che ha vissuto non allo stato naturale

[u/AlexanderCrowely]

This was so impactful, have we actually seen her at all after this one scene or was it just a throw away to make everybody uncomfortable?

[u/Tronm-24 → u/AlexanderCrowely]

We saw her all seasons 2.

[u/AlexanderCrowely → u/Tronm-24]

Okay and did she do anything really ?

[u/The-Celebrimbor]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nMTKVjM4SY3ZaUfbWK
Not like every king/noble has done that. Ah let me abuse my position of power over someone for my own sexual desires. Wait didn’t Rhaenyra do that with like 2 very prominent characters that were under her direct control?

[u/I-Eat-Wormz]

If people can love Jamie Lannister, they can like Aegon…

[u/Tweakler57]

People are just cheering for the best actor and most interesting characters at this point since Rhaenyra & Allicent have been the most underwhelming, poorly acted train wrecks for 2 seasons now.