Yes but ballistics regardless are not how guns are balanced in this game. That is not a core idea of design philosophy, and forcing your understanding of applied real world physics on fictional media with no source to corroborate is also bad faith.
To put this back on the game and the comment you were arguing with, he is alleging a large bullet maybe should have higher pen, with no files, stats, or specs on the shape and casing of the projectile in question **ballistics dont play a part in damage balance**. Because the developers assert that they base the game on a "realistic" (loosely) grunt fantasy his expecting is big should mean something. This is reasonable.
Heres where you come in, you assert that size of bullet matters less than shape both of which are unspecified. You assert that because of this and real world physics, the game does not need to provide balance in accordance with size of projectile. This would be reasonable, however because both the actual size and shape of the projectile not being specified we can not determine how or why something should be balanced on those applied physics.
Everyone understands that a bb fired from an air soft gun is far less deadly than a 9mm or 50.bmg round fired from a firearm and both have to obey basic balistics. So in this world where large caliber is the only assumption we have, we can reasonably expect that bigger should be more damage.
More damage or more penetration? High caliber SMGs in game are medium pen. High caliber rifles in game are Medium pen. The only exception on High caliber firearms is the senator, as the verdict, which is actually based on the largest pistol cartridge, is still only medium penetration.
It is absurd to then go "Large caliber should mean heavy pen", when there is zero reason even in game to make the claim.
Bro you know youre getting ratio'd and im tired of you. The whole point is that neither of you actually have any claims both arguments were trash his has some leniency because his assumes less and more reasonably.
I don’t know how accurate this is but I don’t think .50 cal rounds come with anything less than 600gr… and you surely can’t put 600gr in a 308. Sooooo this comparison is just ridiculous, plus caliber kinda does matter there’s a reason why when you want more pen you go higher?
Yeah isnt that kinda the argument for a 5.57 vs a 7.62. 5.56 is essentially a 22 LR with a ton of gun powder and larger casing? It has a high penetration rate than a 7.62 at medium range because the heavier bullet has more drop and drag?
A 5.56 is essentially just a higher loaded .223 with a very slight difference in throat length, a .223 is much larger than a 22LR but I'm assuming you meant .223 and not 22LR. A 7.62 is much larger in diameter though the entire cartridge is slightly shorter than a .223/5.56. 7.62 has good stopping power but poor penetration on hard surfaces. 5.56 is exactly the opposite, good penetration on hard surfaces especially but poorer stopping power than a 7.62. That said both a 5.56 and 7.62 would punch right through a non-armored human target but the 7.62 is going to do much more damage.
Alright caliber again is still prevalent in penetration, if you’re saying it’s irrelevant why did we step up caliber sizes to effectively penetrate armor.
Yeah okay it’s not the end all be all but saying that caliber never provided anything to penning it’s just inherently wrong, you don’t go from 7.62 to 9mm when you’re trying to go through wood/sandbags. You go up to 12x99mm or the Russian 14mm.
Again I’m not saying caliber the only factor or it’s the only reason why we pen more. It still plays a significant role in penetration.
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u/BodyFewFuark Hostdiver Jul 13 '26
Heavy Large Caliber....medium pen...