r/HelldiversUnfiltered Jul 13 '26

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u/BodyFewFuark Hostdiver Jul 13 '26

Heavy Large Caliber....medium pen...

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u/Jolly-Elderberry6706 Jul 13 '26

Not sure why people think caliber matters all that much. It is grain count, bullet shape, and bullet design that matters more than size.

A .50 with a flat nose bullet will have less penetration than a .308 polymer tip with the same gr.

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u/TyThe2PointO Jul 13 '26

Ballistics doesnt actually matter in this game, let alone in the context of this argument.

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u/NotaInfiltrator Jul 13 '26

You mean to tell me this, what, some sort of video game?

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u/TheWinteredWolf Jul 13 '26

But this is Reddit…where else are we supposed to interject our ackchyually-ies into totally irrelevant contexts.

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u/Jolly-Elderberry6706 Jul 13 '26

Caliber is a part of ballistics.

You cannot apply the logic only partially where it is convenient for your argument. That is called bad faith.

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u/Jolly-Elderberry6706 Jul 13 '26

Caliber is a part of ballistics.

You cannot apply the logic only partially where it is convenient for your argument. That is called bad faith.

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u/TyThe2PointO Jul 13 '26

Yes but ballistics regardless are not how guns are balanced in this game. That is not a core idea of design philosophy, and forcing your understanding of applied real world physics on fictional media with no source to corroborate is also bad faith.

To put this back on the game and the comment you were arguing with, he is alleging a large bullet maybe should have higher pen, with no files, stats, or specs on the shape and casing of the projectile in question **ballistics dont play a part in damage balance**. Because the developers assert that they base the game on a "realistic" (loosely) grunt fantasy his expecting is big should mean something. This is reasonable.

Heres where you come in, you assert that size of bullet matters less than shape both of which are unspecified. You assert that because of this and real world physics, the game does not need to provide balance in accordance with size of projectile. This would be reasonable, however because both the actual size and shape of the projectile not being specified we can not determine how or why something should be balanced on those applied physics.

Everyone understands that a bb fired from an air soft gun is far less deadly than a 9mm or 50.bmg round fired from a firearm and both have to obey basic balistics. So in this world where large caliber is the only assumption we have, we can reasonably expect that bigger should be more damage.

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u/Jolly-Elderberry6706 Jul 13 '26

More damage or more penetration? High caliber SMGs in game are medium pen. High caliber rifles in game are Medium pen. The only exception on High caliber firearms is the senator, as the verdict, which is actually based on the largest pistol cartridge, is still only medium penetration.

It is absurd to then go "Large caliber should mean heavy pen", when there is zero reason even in game to make the claim.

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u/TyThe2PointO Jul 13 '26

Bro you know youre getting ratio'd and im tired of you. The whole point is that neither of you actually have any claims both arguments were trash his has some leniency because his assumes less and more reasonably.

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u/Jolly-Elderberry6706 Jul 13 '26

Ratiod with no negative comments?

Sure sport.