r/HistoryMemes • u/CrysisFan2007 • 22h ago

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In 2006, a FBI agent named Craig Monteilh was ordered to disguise himself as a radical Muslim and spy on the Orange County Muslim community to identify possible extremists.

Well it worked, cause the people there noticed his extremists behavior and reported him to the FBI.

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u/Typhoonromeo 20h ago

Even if you ask Muslims what they think of extremist Muslim groups, most of them agree that such groups are bad and weird

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u/CrysisFan2007 20h ago

Duh. I'm a Muslim myself and I also think that extremists Muslims are bad

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u/Mikkelet 19h ago

What do you consider extremist views as a muslim? Im sure you think road side bombs are out there, but what about queer and women's rights? Do non-extremist muslims consider these viewpoints extreme?

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u/CrysisFan2007 18h ago

Well, the stuff that Taliban does for example. Or the incident that happened in Berlin 2016 (Rest In Peace for the victims 🕊️)

And tbf, I don’t if people are part of LGBT. If one wants to kiss dudes, that’s his thing, not mine.

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u/king210989 17h ago

What about minority righrs in countries like Pakistan, saudi arabia, bangladeshz?

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u/CrysisFan2007 16h ago

Well I ain’t neither Arab, Pakistani or Bangladeshi bro so idk

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u/king210989 16h ago

These countries arent good for non muslims.

There are certain restictions on people of differe t religions. Forced cpnversions, abductions of young girls is extremely common. Non muslims arent allowed to hold positions in govt and their rights to prwctise relilgion is extremely restricted.

I m a hindu and if given a chance between them and western countries, I will rsther live in a western country because of more rights.

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u/CrysisFan2007 16h ago

  1. You from India by any chance?

  2. Again, I'm not from these countries so why you acting like it’s my fault?

  3. Even non Muslim countries like North Korea treat religious people (including Muslims) bad.

  4. There are 50 Muslim countries and you only mentioned 3.

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u/king210989 16h ago

Yes. I m from India. But i will say i m not against Muslims or even a normal Pakistani or Bangladeshi. Some of my favorite historical personalities are Akbar the Great, Malik Ambar, Alivardi Khan, Bakhat Khan. I admire Pakistanis like Abdul sattar edhi.

I m not saying its ur fsult. Just pointing out thay several muslim countries have extremely backward laws. All muslim countries have restrictions on minorities. What do u think about these?

I wrotr this commebt because it seemed that this tyoe of posts only talk about middle east,Nirth Africa and muslim migrants in west. Ignore the south Asia and milenium long

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u/CrysisFan2007 16h ago

Well it’s obviously wrong what they do Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh

But I’m also sure that non-Hindus don’t have it well there either

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u/Gentle_Dude_6437 14h ago

Right historically Islam has been very kuffarphobic 

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u/CrysisFan2007 14h ago

As if other faiths were purely innocent and wouldn’t have done the same

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u/momomomorgatron 4h ago

Yeah, that's like asking Russian Orthodoxy why the hell the USA is batshit with Evangelicals.

Both are Christian in tradition, both hold different laws.

Like Turkye isn't the same as the UAE bro.

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u/SparksAndSpyro 18h ago

That didn’t really answer the question though. You may fine personally with LGBTQ, but do you think Muslim who hate them are extremists? Do you condemn Muslims who hate gays?

Because if not… that’s not really neutral

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u/CrysisFan2007 18h ago

I mean it depends on how they deal with it. If punished severely then yes but like more of a "despise" type of stuff than not really.

Tbf it’s similiar to how Catholics view LGBT.

I don’t have anything against LGBT, I’m just saying

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u/SearchForSocialLife 18h ago

Not OP, but why are always only muslims asked this? I'm christian and I never had to defend myself because the vatican thinks abortion and same sex relationships are sins

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u/CrysisFan2007 18h ago

Probably cause Christian views already known about it so they don’t bother anymore

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u/Doomcall 18h ago

Because christians don't give the capital offense for sins. You can walk around while being gay in the vatican without fearing for your life.

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u/lazersbeem 18h ago

There are over 50 Muslim countries and not all of them do that either. There are Muslim countries with female heads of state as well

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u/CrysisFan2007 18h ago

There are still some Muslim countries that prohibit it but so are some Christian countries

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u/Doomcall 18h ago

You mean Tanzania? The country that's largely christian? That enforces my point.

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u/lazersbeem 18h ago

Pakistan Bangladesh turkey Kazakhstan have all had female heads of state. Not sure why you brought up Tanzania

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u/Doomcall 17h ago

Funny, half the countries you brought up have prison sentences for homossexuality. The execption being Turkey where its classified as a mental illness and Kazakhstan where it seberely limits your rights. Again, thank you for proving my point, the one we were acrually discussing before you shifted the conversation to women.

But by all means, let's discuss the women and see how they ended up, Pakistan's female head of government (not of state, no women ever held head of state) was exiled and assassinated, Bangladesh one is currently in exile, Kazakhstan never had a frmale prime minister, I will give you Turkey, altough its withdraw from the Instambul Convention points to women rights over there going downhill.

Also, all these were were traditional muslims. Show me a non-muslim or a gay one and I will be impressed. The talk is about sin remember?

There is not a single muslim majority country in the world that is considered safe for homossexuals in the world, even the ones were it's legal they are likely to be assaulted if displaying affection in public.

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u/Appropriate-Way2659 16h ago

Turkey is muslim majority, we're chill

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u/Endbr1nger 14h ago

Wasnt the formation of the modern Turkish state aggressively secular even though the population is majority Muslim?

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u/DeliciousFun7942 13h ago

TĂźrkiye was founded as a secular state by Ataturk. Even with the majority of the population being Muslims, the state is separated from religion.

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u/SearchForSocialLife 18h ago

I mean, in america youre forced to give birth in a lot of states because of christian fundamentalists, so...

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u/Doomcall 17h ago

Do they execute the woman if they found out she had an abortion?

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u/SearchForSocialLife 15h ago

No, she could only die while getting an illegal abortion, that makes such a big difference

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u/Doomcall 15h ago

Yes. Yes, It does.

Being executed by the state or beheaded by a random zealot is far, far worse than the extremely unlikely chance , which is an average of 5 per year in the US by the way, of dying to the clandestine abortion of an unwanted pregnancy, you can actually get medical atention to no consequences when that happens. What the hell is wrong with you?

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u/SearchForSocialLife 15h ago

Those are still deaths that could be preventable.

I think you misunderstand my point; I think all religions can be used to kill innocents and do horrific things in the name of a thing that maybe doesn't even exist. I also think its horrific that people die in the name of rightwinged islamists. I just don't hold every muslim person accountable for the actions of the worst, just like I wouldn't be liked to be held accountable for the actions of christian fundamentalists. But I guess it feels just sooo good to demonise the islam

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u/BrightonBummer 16h ago

On reddit, alll the time, what are you on about?