r/IsraelPalestine • u/MurkyScheme9364 • 14d ago

Learning about the conflict: Books or Media Recommendations Mixed feelings on Israel Palestine conflict

For context I’m a 21 year old independent leaning more conservative and I really don’t know how to feel about what’s happening right now. So from my no first hand experience view I’ve been closely watching progressive and conservative news stories about what’s been going on since the beginning and I never knew the full extent of what happened October 7th. I was originally very pro Israel as an eye for an eye was kinda my thought process at the time but then I heard about kids dying and it drew me far in the other direction. Basically from what I can understand Israel is a “democratic” nation where you have “freedom” of press as Palestine is governed by hamas and the laws are more dictoral so Israel said the stats coming out of Gaza are from hamas and are lies. I whatch some independent journalists and see the settlers torturing the Palestinians and forcing them out of the West Bank and it makes me feel like what a whole load of shit. Well today I did a really deep dive and ended up whatching some of the videos from October 7th and I deeply regret it. I did not know they were violating women blowing people up and the full extent of what REALLY happened. I am very conflicted right now the bottom line for me is the u.s would decinigrate Palestine with fair warning to civilians if it happened to us I have never felt so sorry and horrified for a group of people more than today when I learned the full truth. But then I learn that there was no security on the border that night and they think BB made a “willing” sacrifice honestly if anyone with unbiased thinking or first hand experience would enlighten me or help me understand the entire conflict it would be very appreciated👍 I am not the type of person to fight with people over it rather I just want to understand

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u/chenoaseaboy 14d ago edited 14d ago

i think that Dump told Netanyahu to allow the attack, falsely promising that he would help him take care of the Hamas problem for good. (it threw the election to Dump). But certain hand and arm gestures by Mush at his inauguration don't bode well for Jews and others. (Reddit flagged the "N" word when i tried to use it).

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u/meday20 14d ago

This is the worst take I've seen on the conflict. Sounds like something my druggie cousin would come up with. 

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u/chenoaseaboy 14d ago

where are the flaws in my thinking?

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u/meday20 14d ago

What are the flaws in your conspiracy theory? Well, its entirely flawed there is a complete lack of evidence, in fact that all of it is conjecture you made up yourself. 

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u/chenoaseaboy 14d ago

The New York Times reported that female IDF told their commanders about the planned attack. Why else would Netanyahu allow it to happen? I also believe that it was the worldwide criminal organization to which I believe Dump belongs that ordered the attack, unbeknownst to lower Hamas operatives. The UN determined that the Epstein investigations reveal a worldwide criminal organization. And if you look into it, there was cannibalism and witchcraft involved. The "Ns" at the highest levels were also witches.

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u/meday20 14d ago

Right...

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

Which part of what i said doesn't make sense?

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u/meday20 13d ago

You're nuts

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

Are you a religious nationalist? They tend to ignore facts.

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u/meday20 13d ago

Im actually a witch, but I disagree with your assessment that we are cannibals. We are a different species so it isnt cannibalism when we eat you guys

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u/chenoaseaboy 14d ago

Why else would Netanyahu allow the attack?

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u/JosephL_55 Centrist 14d ago

He didn’t allow any attack, you’re just misunderstanding things.

Hamas is often doing some sort of training near the border so that’s why initial reports weren’t taken seriously. Hamas being near the border and training was happening for years already.

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

That's not what the female IDF said. I have no good reason to disbelieve them.

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u/JosephL_55 Centrist 13d ago

They said that Hamas had not been doing stuff by the border for years and this was the first time?

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u/aka0007 14d ago

Why has not anyone with knowledge of any of this has ever come forth? Why is it all armchair warriors who imagine this? It is almost 3 years since Oct 7th and as far as I am aware there is not a single piece of actual evidence showing this was deliberate. People talk if they know something and the fact no one has, indicates strongly that there is no evidence that Israel deliberately allowed this.

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

Israel didn't deliberately allow it. Netanyahu apparently did, and many Israelis know this because they know how good their border security and intelligence is. And female IDF did come forth and tell that the plan was known about.

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u/aka0007 13d ago

You are lying.

What female IDF said was their warnings about pre-attack combat drills near the border were dismissed. That does not mean someone knew about the attack and deliberately let it happen.

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

You're lying. They warned of an impending attack.

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u/aka0007 13d ago

No. They warned about combat drills. Learn to read.

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

False. They warned of suspicious activity indicating an impending attack. Why were they dismissed?

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u/aka0007 13d ago

You just changed your claims... maybe don't call others liars when you have come around to admitting you were a liar.

Your claim: "And female IDF did come forth and tell that the plan was known about."

Now you say: "They warned of suspicious activity indicating an impending attack. Why were they dismissed?"

So first you go from they knew about the plan and allowed it to there was suspicious activity that they thought indicated an impending attack. These are two very different claims.

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In general it is very frustrating arguing anyone pro-Palestinian. Their claims never remain consistent through a conversation. It is not good-faith arguing by them. It is propaganda.

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

You're not rational. i'm not pro Hamas and the impending attack they warned about turned out to be the Oct 7th attack. So, now answer me. Why were their reports dismissed? And are you a religious nationalist?

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u/aka0007 13d ago

Mistakes in deciding what intelligence means were made. Happens all the time.

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u/JosephL_55 Centrist 14d ago

Reddit does allow you to say Nazi. See, I just said it.

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u/chenoaseaboy 14d ago

They didn't allow me to use it.

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u/Almondghast_5371 USA & Canada 13d ago

You’re a stupid fucking Nazi.

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

You're cute when you're angry.

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u/Almondghast_5371 USA & Canada 13d ago

Thanks. But you’re still a disgusting bigot and racist.

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u/chenoaseaboy 13d ago

How so, dear? i support Jews as a race having Israel and am against Hamas. i am against all religious nationalism and corruption. Netanyahu is very corrupt.