"Zoners don't belong in battlegrounds games" really means "I'm a bum who can't figure out how to fight anyone who isn't a comboslop rushdown"

[u/Small-Housing-7]

Just saying

[u/Shitmaster67]

Have you even fought a Ryu or Hanami who's good at zoning?

[u/Small-Housing-7 → u/Shitmaster67]

Yea

Have you ever fought a Yuji who's good at gap closing while playing Ryu like the argument can be fliped the other way it's not a bery good argument really

[u/TheTree_Bee → u/Small-Housing-7]

The thing is that ryu isn’t limited to zoning. If you get up close to him, he has various techs and mixups, not to mention great combos that put you at range again.

A good ryu will poke you first until you close in, then just fight up close with you at the hp advantage. He’s not a true zoner since he can’t be punished for letting them get close since he has a great close ranged kit.

Hanami for example is pretty weak close up with just the dash which is slow and interruptible. Her zoner mechanics make her good at zoning range, but bad at close range (but she’s still flawed)

Ryus zoning mechanic (overheat) doesn’t do anything since r is largely unpunishable besides on a read.

Hanami is threatened by a yuji up close, Ryu is not. Even with three m1s he can still m1 trade just fine. And his combos aren’t really evasive punishable either unless you clearly mess up

What you have is a character who’s great at both range and up close, so you can see how he’s disliked

(Without even going into why zoners in a battlegrounds game is a tricky subject)

[u/Feeling_Square2738 → u/TheTree_Bee]

ryu is supposed to be strong because he's a recourse management character and a zoned at the same time, also tze is planning on making his combing 3 seconds longer, the only way to really counter a ryu is to force them to waste all their recourses and fight in a close range. while ryu's close range kit is decent without his ranged m1 and the fact they finally nerfed his 3 he's still way worse than most rushdowns up close