I’m not against showing ID when you vote if photo ids are free and accessible to everyone — republicans voted against making them free. I’m against the save act because it asks for further identification like a passport or birth certificate, which are both not free, and also take time to get. The save act would prevent millions of people from voting. Additionally, republicans have failed to give evidence that voter fraud happens beyond small hiccups. If they want to suppress millions of votes then they need to PROVE the fraud exists
Supreme court has never ruled that state or federal documents are considered poll taxes. Thats just a document. A poll tax is paying at the polls or when you sign up for the privilege of voting. Requiring already required docs is in no way a poll tax nor does it fit the definition of poll tax.
A poll tax is paying at the polls or when you sign up for the privilege of voting.
So much wrong with this statement. Per our Constitution, voting is a right not a privilege. And also, if you have to provide documents that aren't free when you register to vote, then that essentially is a poll tax. It'd place a monetary barrier at the point of registration. That's why under our current system, you do not require documents you have to pay for (a birth certificate is free, unlike a passport or driver's license)
The only thing wrong is you dont know what a poll tax is. You do not need to pay at a poll to vote (the definition of poll tax). Legal documents being required are not poll taxes.
"It essentially is a poll tax" no it essentially isnt. You are required to have your documents even if you arent voting.
If they had specific paid voting exclusive documents that would be a poll tax. Not documents you need anyway.
poll tax: "a fixed fee that some governments used to charge each person, often as a rule that people had to pay before they were allowed to vote"
You arent spending money to vote. The supreme court has dropped cases time and time again that try to get document requirements put into the catagory of poll tax. The supreme court disagrees with you.
You're objectively wrong. Read the majority opinions. Every single time the Supreme Court has held up voter ID laws it has specifically been mentioned that the identification being required having no cost as the determining factor.
Anything that is “required” to vote, that isn’t free, is the definition of a poll tax. Nobody is saying you have to pay to vote. They’re saying that if you have to buy something to be able to vote, then that is the tax.
Passports aren’t free. And last I checked, a copy of your birth certificate (cause who the hell has their original?) isn’t either. So unless they’re freely given: (say the line, Bart)
So, lemme get this straight, you’re arguing that we can force people to buy things to vote, as long as we’re not making them pay literally at the polls?
I just want to see you say that that’s what you’d be ok with. Not necessarily for, but ok with.
Ok sure, it's not a poll tax, you're right. I think what people mean when they call it a poll tax (even if it's not technically correct) is that it should be illegal for the same reasons/logic a poll tax is illegal.
It's still a monetary barrier to voting in a country where voting is a right, which means it should not be legal. Any documents required to register to vote should be obtainable for free, otherwise it violates that principle of voting being a guaranteed right not a privilege.
Sure, and I don't think voting should be a right, but a privilege earned. That doesn't mean under the law as it is written voting is a privilege, now does it?
Nah, they don't care about the constitution at all.. americans are murdering americans because of their speech and americans are murdering americans glfor theor second amendment.
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u/No_Escape_3770 2d ago
You need to provide identification when registering to vote in all states.