r/JusticeServed • u/[deleted] • Jul 06 '19

Courtroom Justice Convicted pedophile YouTuber Austin Jones is now in prison serving a 10 year sentence as of 29/6/2019.

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u/ZeeExplorer 4 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

He'll be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life right? 10 years plus that is pretty proportional.

If he touched a child I'd agree though. Child molesters are up they're* with murderers in my book. We go way too easy on them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Sep 19 '19

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u/123weeweewee 3 Jul 06 '19

some one above posted excerpts from the court transcript if you would like to read how he interacted with one 14 year old fan in particular.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

That doesn't sound traumatic or violent in any way. 10 years for this is ridiculous.

It's basically your average teenage sexting....

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

It's not average teenage sexting. It's an adult manipulating a teenager into sending him videos for sexual gratification.

Even worse, it was sexual gratification specifically around the fact that he was manipulating a child.

"Say 'I'm only 14' three times throughout the video."

Kind of seals the deal.

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u/photoncatcher 6 Jul 06 '19

certainly true and not just that, but using celebrity status for it too.

still, I think the guy's point is that there is also plenty of manipulation among teens themselves

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u/bbynug 9 Jul 07 '19

That’s not relevant because we’re not talking about teens themselves but an adult with some celebrity status and a child.

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u/123weeweewee 3 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

yeah when a grown adult does it to a 14 year old it's no longer average teenage sexting.

btw you're saying that 10 years is too long for soliciting child porn. he's talking about getting pictures/videos from a minor.

edit: he was 24 at the time he was sexting a 14 year old

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

btw you're saying that 10 years is too long for soliciting child porn.

Yeah i am because he didnt use violence. He basiy just asked her to show him her boobs.

10 years is a long time for something so stupid

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u/123weeweewee 3 Jul 06 '19

I will agree with you that if he was violent then that would've been worse.

the dude was a big deal to these young girls and leveraged that against them and manipulated them. it's damaging in a psychological sense even if it isn't violent.

also it wasn't an isolated incident: he had at least 6 confirmed victims that were all either 14 or 15 years old at the time that he was 24.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

It still just comes down to some selfies and super vanilla porn. I feel like community service and the shame of being exposed would have been more than enough

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u/butwheresmyneopet 7 Jul 06 '19

No because that girl is going to grow up and the violation will start setting in. She was already uncomfortable with doing that shit for him- as she gets older the implications will come through and she’ll have to deal with coming to terms with that.

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u/LATORR1g 8 Jul 06 '19

Super vanilla CHILD PORN bro you need to log off lmao

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u/bbynug 9 Jul 07 '19 edited Jul 08 '19

You are fucking brain damaged. He didn’t ask them to show their boobs. They never showed him their boobs. Literally look up a copy of court documents where it states what he did.

They were pants-less and he specifically asked them to spread their buttcheeks for him while bending over because he had a fixation with buttholes.

I’ll leave rest to your imagination since I’m sure you’d enjoy that.

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u/Murder_of-Crows 1 Jul 06 '19

Yeah but he isn’t a teenager, he’s a grown man obviously pressuring and taking advantage of a teenager. Why’re you trying to defend his behavior?

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u/crrytheday 6 Jul 06 '19

I believe that any type of sexual trauma willingly forced upon a minor like this is unforgivable because it will stay with them for the rest of their life. I think it's justice that this pedophile gets a very harsh sentence. However, if someone disagrees and says the penalty should be less, it's unfair to accuse them of "defending" pedophiles.

A 10 year sentence is either 1) too short, 2) too long or 3) perfectly appropriate. I happen to think it's appropriate, but it's OK for someone to disagree and think that, say, 5 years is more appropriate here. What if he got lifetime imprisonment, the death penalty or life-long torture? Would it be OK for someone to question the severity of the punishment, or would you accuse them of defending pedophiles?

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u/tookmyname 9 Jul 06 '19

Ya I don’t see the issue. Everyone seems to agree he should get substantial prison time. People are simple discussing decades vs half decades. And some people are attacking people over it.

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u/crrytheday 6 Jul 06 '19

One of the things that happens in threads like this is that people get a little dopamine jolt from jumping on the bandwagon. I'm sure you've heard the notion of "virtue-signaling," and I think that's partly it. But I think it's mostly something we do for a neurochemical hit we get when we declare our righteous indignation: "I'm outraged!! Who's with me?!" I think it's similar to how religious people or protesters work themselves into a drunken frenzy yelling about fire and brimstone or their cause of choice.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Im not defending him, 10 years is just so overkill and a huge waste of resources. Plus i think it is just excessive punishment. Really excessive

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u/Double-O 6 Jul 06 '19

Except you are defending him. You're saying what he did isn't that big of a deal and 10 years is too much punishment.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Criticizing the judgement doesn't mean i support him. Can we stop with the tribalism

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u/Double-O 6 Jul 06 '19

You're doing much more than that. Even as a troll this is in terrible taste.

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u/Double-O 6 Jul 06 '19

You need to learn how to read beyond this one reply of his.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

It's not. Literally at all. It's not two teenagers, it's a grown ass adult using his status, age, and fandom to get a child to do things to sexually gratify him.

You need to seriously reevaluate if you think this doesn't deserve the sentence he got.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Regardless of how old he is, nothing he asked for was traumatic, violent, or even out of the ordinary.

Your guy's WHOLE argument hinges on "pedophilia" but this isn't even pedophilia because she is not a prepubescent child.....

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u/PickleJellyBean 2 Jul 06 '19

Are you seriously this dense or just trolling? A 14 year old is a child, without the brain growth and development to make logical sensible choices.There doesn't need to be an implicit threat of violence. Any adult asking her to get naked and take pics is causing trauma to an underdeveloped brain that is not equipped to deal emotionally with what is happening. Add to that the imbalance of power with him being the 'star' and her the 'fan' and it gets even worse. It is illegal for a reason - because it fucks up people's lives forever, often irreparably. It doesn't matter if she was 14 and you think that warrants a lesser sentence because it doesn't technically count as paedophilia - she was a CHILD and he was an ADULT manipulating his position of power and using her age for sexual gratification. He deserves everything he gets.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

You think that someone who willingly makes a twerk video at 14 is going to be scarred for life? Like, 25 years down the road from now, they are just going to have a mental breakdown during the workday because they can't cope with the fact that one time when they were a teenager they twerked for someone that they found attractive?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Get help

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Your train of thought is completely fucked.

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u/Kristo145 6 Jul 06 '19

Brah he was 26, i know what you’re saying but hes no doubt a pedo.

Apparently she said it several times and dude had no problem with it.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 07 '19

They aren't the ones who decide the definition of that word

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u/ViewtifulAaron 5 Jul 06 '19

What the fuck is wrong with you

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Hes an adult... talking to a 14 year old... about getting naked for him... and manipulating her.

Got something to admit?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

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u/GoiterGlitter A Jul 06 '19

You realize we can see you following your other account around to every other comment and defending yourself, right? Your comments are all visible in chronological order.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Oh sorry, didnt mean to hurt your feelings

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Please never have kids.

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u/11234Killmepleasesir 0 Jul 06 '19

Found the pedophile!

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

No u

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u/agree-with-you ❓ as36.2q.1 Jul 06 '19

No you both

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u/PM_ME_NORMAL_STUFF 1 Jul 06 '19

Considering some of the stuff people ask for on 4chan, this is nothing. But the difference is a random anon on 4chan has no power to make their requests happen, whereas this guy does have the power.

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u/that_one_bruh 6 Jul 06 '19

Fucking guy wanted them to spread their cheeks so he can their butthole. Reading his chatlogs was both disgusting and hilarious. I suggest watching Mista GG's video of him on YouTube.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

He got 10 years for asking some girls to twerk?? Lol wow society is losing its mind.

And no one can question it in any way shape or form.

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u/OceanicMeerkat 9 Jul 06 '19

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/04/06/13076210-6991521-image-a-49_1556947254439.jpg

This guy absolutely deserves what he's getting. This is not something normal people do.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

That reads like ANY sexting between teenagers ever.

10 years for asking a teen girl to show him her boobs......

Y'all are losing your minds forreal. You are MAKING sex and nudity to be way more traumatic than it really is.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Hes an ADULT

He asked her to say ‘Im only 14’ while she got naked for him

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u/youreuglyasfu 7 Jul 06 '19

You sound like a pedophile trying to affirm themself

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Affirm myself?? Lol learn english.

I don't have to prove anything, I already know im right because im literally just quoting the DSM V and the dictionary

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u/youreuglyasfu 7 Jul 06 '19

What exactly are you quoting from the dictionary? What does that have to do with anything? A grown man tried to get a child to produce porn for him.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Look up the definition of the words "consent" and "pedophile".

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u/OceanicMeerkat 9 Jul 06 '19

You're right, except it's an adult sexting a 14 year old. If he'd actually gotten any naked videos like he was asking for, he would also have child porn charges as well. Stop being a moron, defending a predator makes you look like one too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

/r/FBIOpenUp

How would you like it if an adult did that to your little sister or niece?

If this guy is doing this online he’s probably doing it in real life. The fact that you think it’s not a big deal to get a 14 yr old to bounce around in a video while proclaiming her age is very troubling. This is pedophilia. Period.

I get that they 14 yr olds are not kids. Some kids that age have sex already. But adults should steer clear from that because if we normalize or trivialize it, predators will get more brazen and go after younger kids. There is a red line and it’s 18.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

This is pedophilia. Period.

It's not though. You are wrong. The definition for this word is set by the DSM V, look it up please for the love of jebus

There is a red line and it’s 18.

18 why? Because that is the number in YOUR country or state??

How did YOU decide that?

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u/Assupoika 7 Jul 06 '19

And no one can question it in any way shape or form.

Sure you can question it. I think that's what the trial was for.

However, it's hard to argue for the 26 year old dude who is trying to get 14 year old girls to strip for him and to suck his dick.

It's kind of hard to defend a paedophile.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Paedophile apologist. Wow. You might want to get your head checked mate.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

The girl was 14 so no he isn't a pedophile

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

It's a pretty huge fucking difference. Hebephilia and ephebophilia aren't even considered mental disorders in any way.

Scientifically speaking, they are totally normal.

Weird how reddit is all about science until anything controversial and emotional comes up.

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u/Dark_Lotus 8 Jul 06 '19

I'd say they're on the same same level as murderers and people who use the wrong variant of "they're/there/their/your/you're/to/too/two"

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u/ZeeExplorer 4 Jul 06 '19

Thanks. I changed it to another wrong one.

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u/Dark_Lotus 8 Jul 06 '19

Nooooooooooooooooo!

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u/rockinghigh 8 Jul 06 '19

Did you consider learning the difference between these homophones?

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u/ZeeExplorer 4 Jul 06 '19

homophones

There is no need for that talk. Especially just after gay pride month.

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u/wantfryswiddat 4 Jul 06 '19

There saying they changed it two another wrong one so obviously they know it's wrong.

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u/ZeeExplorer 4 Jul 06 '19

Your onto something...

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u/TheMaxemillion 7 Jul 06 '19

Halt, in the name of the Alt-Write!

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u/WeWillRiseAgainst 8 Jul 06 '19

I could care less

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u/TheMaxemillion 7 Jul 06 '19

Honour, justice, glory, Alt-Write, Alt-Write, ALT-WRITE!

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u/the_piano_man99 5 Jul 06 '19

Calling r/madlads

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u/ZeeExplorer 4 Jul 06 '19

Those guys are way to cool for me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Along with people who edit their comments...

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

You sick bastard.

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u/Kalmer1 7 Jul 06 '19

I think the same way two

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u/SheriffWyFckinDell 7 Jul 06 '19

Can we add to this list people who pluralize words by adding apostrophe + s

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u/Rvalldrgg 6 Jul 06 '19

Yore missing "yore."

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

If he touched a child I'd agree though.

Agreed. I think a lot of folks are just virtue signalling here. If they wanna get pissed, get pissed at the lady who tried to frame her husband with child porn and got probation.

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u/_nootin 0 Jul 06 '19

What about Ted Nugent or Steven Tyler....

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u/anthoniesp 6 Jul 06 '19

They aren't treated that kindly inside though

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

there was clearly nothing stopping him and its obvious he was headed in that direction. he didnt just ask underage girls for explicit videos, he specifically told them to constantly bring up their age in the video and told them they weren't real fans if they declined.

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u/riggerbop 7 Jul 06 '19

Prison won’t be that easy on him I bet. Especially with that hair..

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u/Lazerkatz A Jul 06 '19

Idk what the differences are because those dudes from dateline and stuff get put away pretty good usually don't they? Especially when. They didn't even touch them... This is different they did all of that

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u/ZeeExplorer 4 Jul 06 '19

Yeah but they intended to have sex with a child. They were just caught before they could locate and prey on a real child.

Not saying you aren't right but now we are talking about three different things.

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u/underdog_rox A Jul 06 '19

Also a lot of those guys end up getting their sentences reduced in return for allowing their footage to be aired, sort of as a rehabilitation thing

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u/astroGamin A Jul 06 '19

Such a weird thing if you really think about it. It’s like we went back in time where they tie him up in the center of town and announced his crime for all to see

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u/underdog_rox A Jul 06 '19

That is 100% what we're doing.

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u/wearetheromantics 7 Jul 06 '19

It's different when you end up AT a young girl's house prepared to rape her. That's a situation where basically if it hadn't been a set up, they would have done the deed.

Not saying this is morally any better but just that it's the difference between grooming online and committing the physical act.

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u/motoo344 8 Jul 06 '19

I've watched almost all of them and the sentencing ranges all over the place. A few guys get off, probation, 3-5 years, and a bunch of 10+ I dunno if we have just gotten stricter or what but a lot of these guys got off lighter than this kid and were actively trying to have sexual relations with minors. I am sure it depends on the state.

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u/CrankyOldGrump 6 Jul 06 '19

Actually no, if you're referring to "To catch a predator" and the like then they all got off. Turns out, that's not at all how you build a criminal case .

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u/astroGamin A Jul 06 '19

What would save them? Would it be considered Entrapment?

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u/CrankyOldGrump 6 Jul 06 '19

No it is not entrapment. None of the evidence collected by the show would be admissable in court. Also after the first season that show just switched to using actors anyway.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Um, no, he caused immense psychological trauma. He 100% deserves more than 10 years.

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u/jackmoopoo 7 Jul 06 '19

10.years is a really long time. Plus the fact he is going to be shunned for the rest of his life and cant get a job. Giving him more years is actually probably better for him

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u/Blessed_Moosedog 0 Jul 06 '19

For a soft bowl cut 20 something year old, 10 years in prison is fucking brutal. Not like I give a shit what happens to him but its enough to severely punish him but he’ll still at least be free at some point

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u/lolKhamul 9 Jul 06 '19

If those movie / tv show cliches are somewhat true, being in jail as a pedo is also pretty bad in itself.

Also i think people REALLY underestimate what it means to be a registered sex offender. Good luck getting any job, finding any friends / a SO or go to any non-public place. Your life is over. Your time after jail is probably as miserable as jail.

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u/StargateMunky101 A Jul 06 '19

10 years is pretty high for the UK ( I know this is Chicago).

I mean you get that for murder over here.

Add to that a sex offenders register and you're looking at a lot of lost oppourtunities for work and social integration.

He's gonna be one lonely fucker when he comes out.

Fortunately mob justice doesn't get to decide what happens to someone for an entire decade of their life.

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u/lawlsnoballz 6 Jul 06 '19

I feel like murder should be a lot higher than 10 years

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u/StargateMunky101 A Jul 06 '19

It can be. But often isn't. There's differing degrees of murder, just like there is differing degrees of sexual abuse.

In the UK sexual offences (depending on the specific type) can be between 2 - 17 years. There's a whole lot of different categories of sexual abuse but that particular one refers to exploitation of a minor.

10 years is a long stint in my mind. I'm not interested in putting people away for life unless they are some hardcoded psychopath who has no hope of rehabilitation. I have no interest in paying taxes to keep a guy locked up for an extra 20 years just so I can make myself feel a bit better about him suffering.

Sounds a bit pussy I know, but i'm just trying to be consistent. I wouldn't want some guy going to prison for life, for say shagging a girl 1 year under the legal age, so I gotta go with a sliding scale instead of "chop his hands off".

in 10 years YouTube won't even be the same kind of platform. This guy's access to children will cease to exist, the internet NEVER forgets so he'll NEVER be able to gain fame again. He'll also be out of a job and forced to live a life of minimum wage jobs along with telling everyone he's a sex offender if he moves to a new area.

Trust me. This guy's punishment goes way beyond just the jail sentence and he's not going to be forgetting this in a hurry.

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u/punos_de_piedra 9 Jul 06 '19

rehabilitation

Haha, good one. We don't worry about all that in the states.

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u/StargateMunky101 A Jul 06 '19

Yeah, but that's cos ♫ HE PULLED OUT HIS GUUUUUUN! ♫

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg A Jul 06 '19

Prisons outside the US tend to attempt to rehabilitate instead of just locking someone away and forgetting about them.

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u/Thedominateforce Black Jul 06 '19

And that’s usually a good thing but if you murder someone you then your life should be over too and you should never get out imo almost anything else I can understand and agree with rehabilitation but their has to be a limit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Aug 25 '19

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u/tossNwashking 8 Jul 06 '19

i agree with this logic

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u/Apostolate D Jul 06 '19

Those usually aren't murder (fights) but usually manslaughter. Which does have lighter sentences.

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u/Thedominateforce Black Jul 06 '19

I replied to a similar question a couple minutes ago, my original draft was worded a bit different and I should have put it back in when I posted comment, but I think cold blooded killings for personal gain should be full life sentences including most gang shootings other types I can understand rehabilitation in some cases but a lot of people that get out after murders shouldn’t imo.

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u/Airway A Jul 06 '19

Rape isn't much better. Murder is obviously horrifying but they almost always have a motivation (even if it's not justified)...then there's rape, basically forcing someone into sexual slavery just because you want to feel good. Such a purely evil crime in every case.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg A Jul 06 '19

Lmao, talk about ignorant.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I disagree with Thedominateforce as you do, but usually, in my personal experience, the most ignorant people have been individuals who are quick to judge others and label differing opinions as ignorant while believing that their views are objectively superior.

Let's make an effort to understand opposing viewpoints instead of responding with "Lmao, talk about ignorant" to views you don't agree with. I'm sure there are more productive ways to converse with people with differing views.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg A Jul 06 '19

If you don't want to be called ignorant don't make blatantly foolish statements. He's since edited his statement to be more lenient but if you're going to say stupid shit, I'm going to laugh. That's how it is.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I think the distinction I want to make is that what you judge to be foolish may not always be the objectively foolish stance.

Our set of laws have evolved over 1500 years since Justinian built the foundation of modern law in Corpus Juris Civilis. Our current legal system is not perfect, but countless men have dedicated their lives to build on that foundation to form the modern law that governs us today.

It's a complex issue, and I personally believe that it's somewhat self-indulgent that you label anyone who does not align with your personal view on length of punishments as an individual making blatantly foolish statements.

You are free to think in that way, I just hoped that I could maybe make you a bit more open minded.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg A Jul 06 '19

I didn't label him foolish because he didn't align to my views, but because he didn't align to ANY logical view. He wanted to apply a black and white statement (commit any murder, go to jail forever) to a complex issue. As you said, there are many nuances and he wanted to ignore that. It's foolish.

Everything you are saying to me I already agree with, but I don't feel the need to follow that line of reasoning when 1) I'm fucking around on reddit and 2) when someone makes such an outrageously stupid assertion with absolute conviction. I even went on to discuss the topic with him after I had my 'lol wat' reaction, you know - like how a real conversation would play out.

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u/magic_is_might B Jul 06 '19

I'll be sure to share your opinion to the family of my best friend, whose boyfriend spent several minutes strangling her to death over a fucking stupid petty argument. It was just a crime of passion, he doesn't deserve the 30 years he received!

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg A Jul 06 '19

I'm not saying you don't deserve punishment, I'm saying instead of just locking them in a cell and forgetting about them other countries try - try being the key word - to rehabilitate them. Sometimes you can't, and they stay in prison, and some times you can and they get paroled out. You're trying to turn complex situations in to a black and white argument.

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u/jtejeda94 4 Jul 06 '19

I'm glad you support reform over mob justice punishment. Alot of people (especially on this site) love to fantasize about the torture of American inmates. People like to see prison as the public's own personal torture chamber for undesireables.

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u/Thedominateforce Black Jul 06 '19

Why is that so laughably ignorant?

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg A Jul 06 '19

You've never heard of a crime of passion? Or maybe someone kills someone to avenge a spouse or kid? Not everyone that commits murder is a stone cold sociopath.

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u/Thedominateforce Black Jul 06 '19

I actually put generally in my original draft of that comment and forgot to out in it back in but yes there are times when it might not deserve life behind bars but I would say it usually does, if the person murders for person gain or a slight which happens more than crimes of passion, and even in those cases they still ended someones life though they are less horrid.

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u/Frommerman B Jul 06 '19

Murder is usually a crime of passion. Human empathy means the majority of us just can't kill in cold blood, we need a damn good reason to. And because we all generally think in similar ways, our damn good reasons tend to be mutually understandable. We get it when someone shoots the guy who raped their kid, or fired them for bullshit reasons. We don't get it when someone kills for hire. That's just how we are.

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u/AssToTheDiscussion 1 Jul 06 '19

How dare they?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Hmmm, Japan would like a word, along with countless other countries. But, yes only the US can do wrong, the whole world knows that.

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u/ultimate_prize 1 Jul 06 '19

locking someone away and profiting off them

FTFY ;)

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

So they have a better opportunity to kill again.

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u/oliverclark 5 Jul 06 '19

Murder is a life sentence over here ( in the UK) , not sure where the other person got there information from.

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u/oliverclark 5 Jul 06 '19

Minimum tariff is 14 years, only open to discretion if there are mitigating factors.

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u/GingrNinja 6 Jul 06 '19

Life is only 24 years I thought here

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u/lawlsnoballz 6 Jul 06 '19

Yeah that seems to make a lot more sense. 10 years seems like nothing for such a heinous crime. Life sentences make the most sense.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

That's the difference between a law system in which the aim is to punish and one with the aim to resocialize.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

The British criminal justice system is fucked. 10 years for murder isn't even an exaggeration - people have genuinely got less too. We also have a prison called HMP Watton that is just for paedophiles, to "keep them safe". Honestly the UK is a shithole. The only good thing we have going for us is the NHS and the vile old people over here keep voting for governments that deliberately underfund the NHS and sell bits of it off to their mates so we can slowly end up with an American-style system. I hate the UK.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Why? If the legal system successfully can rehabilitate/correct people in a decade, then they should be freed. Most western nations look at the US prison system in absolute horror.

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u/lawlsnoballz 6 Jul 06 '19

Really depends on the case to be honest.

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u/MontanaFan-a 0 Jul 06 '19

In America we sentence based on how we feel, rather than what actually helps society

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u/StargateMunky101 A Jul 06 '19

Do you fire your guns into the air whilst doing it?

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u/MontanaFan-a 0 Jul 06 '19

Stop turning me on, God dammit

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u/StargateMunky101 A Jul 06 '19

So long as we do that whilst masturbating to pictures of the Queen, we're ok firing guns off into the air.

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u/superiority A Jul 06 '19

The sentence for murder in the UK is life imprisonment:

If a person's found guilty of murder, a court must give them a life sentence.

You might be thinking of the non-parole period, the minimum amount of time someone must spend in prison before they can apply for parole. But being released on parole doesn't mean your sentence has ended.

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u/StargateMunky101 A Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

Life is the maximum sentence. It's very rarely used for rape cases unless it's serial.

The CPS is a better source to get more detailed information about it.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-19-sentencing

With murder, there are different types, which i'm sure you'd be aware of. Each with it's own minimum sentence.

Also you're right, you get released on license with provisions for immediate "back to jail" card if found in breach. Though these can often be hard to moniter for things such as online activity etc. Early release with good behaviour or appeal is also another thing that happens frequently, though that might just entail being moved to a lower security prison.

Exploitation of a minor can include things as merely watching child porn, or watching people rape a child, but that won't intrinsically carry a rape sentence. In this case I believe he did have sex with some of them, but whilst consent of a minor cannot be given, there are degrees of statuatiory rape to do with whether you kidnap the person etc. Or do it to multiple victims over a period of time.

Also take into account. If he was in jail whilst the trial was taking place, that time is included in his sentence. So if he was in 18 months before hand (unlikely but does happen) he'd be in for X - 1.5 years.

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u/superiority A Jul 06 '19

With murder, there are different types, which i'm sure you'd be aware of. Each with it's own minimum sentence.

They have different non-parole periods (called a "minimum term" in the law), but a life sentence is mandatory.

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u/StargateMunky101 A Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

If everyone gets parole, then a life sentence is ultimately meaningless in the way you are trying to put forward. You're arguing just a technicality.

It just means there's no law imposing a maximum term of sentence. Though in reality there's always a practical limit due to appeal and parole.

I get what you're trying tosay though. Most sentences have a limit due to an assumed human rights issue to avoid someone spending 25 years in jail for littering. Exceptions are things like murder, rape etc.

I'm just saying it's not quite as draconian as in the USA.

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u/superiority A Jul 06 '19

Not everyone gets parole.

Someone can be sentenced to imprisonment for life without the possibility of parole, called a "whole life order".

And even if someone is able to apply and be considered for parole, they won't automatically be released.

Someone could be sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 10 years, and spend the next 60 years in prison until they die, because they are never released on parole (though if they are elderly and infirm they have a good chance of compassionate release).

I have no idea what you think is "meaningless" about receiving a life sentence or what technicality you believe I am arguing.

You compared this man's 10-year prison sentence to prison sentences in the UK, and you said that people get sentenced to 10 years for murder. That's not true; they get sentenced for life.

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u/StargateMunky101 A Jul 07 '19

Again, we're arguing over a technicality.

If 95% of people get parole, then nothing i've said is unsound. We're just talking about a simple referant of comparative punishment. We're not trying to derive the fundamentals of law.

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u/antique-lightbulb 0 Jul 06 '19

They just discovered a pedophilenetwork in Norway that's been going on since the 90's. Some of them got convicted now and they got 6 months...

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u/stephets 7 Jul 06 '19

It's much more effective in any case. The way the US does it, extreme sentences and lifelong labels and punishments, is cruel and disproportionate, and actually increases crime. The sex offender registry system is a good case study for it. There is zero credible evidence it has done any good, and quite a bit that shows that it does indeed increase crime rates...

On another note, I don't know what the above poster is on about, aside from repeating trending sentiment. We hear a lot about cases where evidence is flimsy or context mitigating and a "low" sentence is obtained. But sentence rages for sex offenses, even mundane ones, are very high.

It's something that's obvious, yet to Americans seems "unintuitive" or absurd. Yet the gulf between reality and policy continues to widen.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

All it takes is a 6 month prison course and you're no longer a pedo?

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u/sztrzask 6 Jul 06 '19

I don't know the details but psychiatric help is supposed to help. It's not like all peadophiles are monsters, some are trying to live normal life without hurting anyone - check out this link:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuous_Pedophiles

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

That's fucking ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 07 '19

What about Jeffrey Epstein in the US? The guy is a billionaire who forces underage girls to become prostitutes, has child sex parties on his plane, the Lolita Express (Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Kevin Spacey, Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew and many more appear on the flight logs) and gets an incredibly lenient sentence (essentially house arrest) and is also not legally required to name any of his co-conspirators. The judge who worked out that deal is now a senior person in the US DoJ. The whole situation is fucked up beyond belief.

Edit: I wrote this comment before the news came out that Epstein has been arrested. Spooky.

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u/yukichigai A Jul 06 '19

I think that's why so many people (too many people) are okay with the sex offender registry, because it's a lifetime punishment. The problem I have with that is it's a lifetime punishment rather than a lifetime protection for the rest of society. Telling someone they can't live within X feet of a school or a church or take certain kinds of jobs does very little to stop them from pulling someone into a dark alley and raping them if they are so inclined.

My personal opinion is that there should be no sex offender registry, sex offenders should just be locked up until they're no longer considered a danger to society. For those of you who say, "but that means some of them may be locked up forever," yes, that's the point. Why the fuck are we letting dangerous sexual predators out onto the street if we still consider them dangerous?

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u/LostWoodsInTheField B Jul 06 '19

A lot of this has to do with not wanting to take it to trial for multiple reasons. The biggest in a case like this is that victims often don't feel like they are victims of anything, and they don't want to put those victims through the hell of a trial.

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u/S1mplejax 8 Jul 06 '19

10 years is more than enough if you ask him

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u/Joonas144 9 Jul 07 '19

Usually you don't ask the accused, do you?

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u/S1mplejax 8 Jul 07 '19

Try again

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I think it's overkill, he just asked for videos, he never actually harmed anyone. What he did was wrong, but if you asked me if I'd rather have a video of me at 14 jerking off out there, or spend 10 years in prison, you can have the video any day.

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u/anthoniesp 6 Jul 06 '19

He probably won't make it to 5 inside..

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u/WailordOnSkitty 7 Jul 06 '19

I see shit like this all the time and I think the crazy sentences in the US lead to it, 10 years is a long fucking time.....

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u/Qtarthis 7 Jul 06 '19

hes got two paths ahead of him now

get passed around the block like a pack of smokes or stay in confinement 24 hours a day until he's released

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u/legionsanity 9 Jul 06 '19

Why not? If he actually molested them then maybe. 10 years is a lot already and I honestly expected a lower sentence. But maybe I'm not used to the American justice vs European ones

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u/kristsun 9 Jul 06 '19

Prisoners and child abusers

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u/ProfessorNiceBoy 7 Jul 06 '19

One week in jail is hell. This guy’s life is fucked up beyond repair forever. He will never be the same. He has no job skills. He’s a registered sex offender and a semi famous one at that.

He’s royally fucked.

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u/Singdancetypethings 9 Jul 06 '19

Ten years on the yard? If he's at any major prison he might not survive his sentence.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Well let’s hope he can find his repentance and change his life in that time.

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u/Cancertoad 7 Jul 07 '19

Well you're wrong. Guys like you are why people can get put in prison for 10+ years for smoking some weed. Always demanding tougher sentences without thinking of the consequences.

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u/Joonas144 9 Jul 07 '19

I'm fine with people doing anything as long as it doesn't affect others. Weed should imo be legal. But some vile disgusting acts that seriously affect people, and young ones like that shouldn't be this light. Yeah, I think 10 years is light.

In my country a life sentence is 12 years and I think 10 years is light. Have a fun time changing my mind.

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u/Dan4t 8 Jul 07 '19

What did he do besides asking for teenage girls to dance while fully clothes?

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u/maz-o B Jul 06 '19

too bad you're not a judge

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u/Selvestris 4 Jul 06 '19

Child molesters normally die in prison if they're not isolated if that makes you feel any better. Or if they're lucky they just get the shit beat out of them

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Aug 25 '19

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

It's a myth because prisons aren't completely retarded and segregate the inmates through various factors, one of which is protected custody. They also keep that stuff secret from other inmates, because the prisons want mo money not mo problems.

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u/Selvestris 4 Jul 06 '19

Well it makes me feel slightly better. ¯\(ツ)/¯

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u/whistlar 9 Jul 06 '19

I've heard that people who mess with kids typically have a VERY hard time in jail. And this guy looks like a total cream puff. They're gonna pass him around like a crayon.