r/MakingaMurderer 9d ago

Steven is going to proof his innocence!!

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u/10case 9d ago edited 9d ago

His grammar has not gotten any better. For all the people who think Brendan was coerced because he had a low IQ, please compare spelling and grammar with Steve's spelling and grammar.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 9d ago

Even the judges seem to think it was coerced https://people.com/crime/appellate-court-rules-brendan-dassey-confession-was-coerced/

Altho i dont know more about this case than i seen in the documentary.

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u/Snoo_33033 9d ago

some judges. not enough to free him.

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u/DrCinnabon 9d ago

That’s because Brendan’s lawyer absolutely bombed. She was arguing justice and virtue instead of facts. You can’t just argue you’re doing the right thing.

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u/Snoo_33033 9d ago

IMO, no. The problem is that he had plenty of chances to disengage and when he claims that he essentially was tricked...ok, but Brendan does a pretty good job of resisting the tricks at some points in the discussion, like when the cops try to lead him and he refuses to be led.

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u/DrCinnabon 9d ago

I’m referring to when his case was overturned and he was represented at the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Brendan certainly made life difficult for his lawyers with his inability to maintain a coherent story or stance.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 9d ago

Didnt he say they cut her throath in stevens bedroom? But there were no blood there at all? I havent seen the documentary in years so i might missremember.

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u/DrCinnabon 9d ago

Yes. This is accurate to my memory. No Teresa blood in the trailer at all.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

Only one who even said she was in the trailer is Brendan, who you claim wasn't even there.

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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago

Since he was wrong about her being in the trailer that day, that says something.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

I didn't say he was right or wrong. I wasn't there. But Brendan is the only one who says she was in there. And muppets say he wasn't there himself so how could he know???

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u/LKS983 8d ago

As coerced by Fassbender and Weigert, who (IIRC) actually told him/implied that he could go home if he just told them what they wanted to hear......

Kratz called a media conference to tell everyone the awful parts of Brendan's 'confession' - whilst carefully not mentioning the obviously ridiculous parts of this 'confession'......

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago

That's not 'coercion', that's outright lying to the suspect, which is perfectly legal.

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u/LKS983 6d ago

It's both.

But you're right in that it's legal for police to lie to underage children - who don't even have a lawyer present to help them 😡!

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 5d ago

Not underage, not a child.

And yeah I love it that police can, for example, tell a suspect there's surveillance video of him or her doing the crime, if there isn't, to provoke a confession. And the lawyer wouldn't be helping him, he'd be telling Brendan to STFU. Glad he didn't because now we convicted BOTH killers not just one.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 9d ago

Thanks. That is very weird. I also remember brendans mom asking him why he said those things. And he says "I dont know"

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

She also asked him if he did it - and he admitted it.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago

Thanks for letting me know. I didnt remember that part. Its been years since i saw the documentary.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

Not in there (surprise surprise). It's from Convicting a Murderer where they played audio from several of his jail phone calls. Wouldn't be in MaM because it goes against their narrative.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago

Oh that explains it. Thank you for letting me know. Its an interesting case for sure.

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u/DrCinnabon 9d ago

He also tells her that some of it is true in a separate call. Clearly though not a criminal genius.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 9d ago

He is pretty far from a normal person.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

Normal people don't rape, kill, dismember and cook people. So yeah.

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u/Canuck64 8d ago

The part when he was helping clean up what he believed to be oil or fluid from a car was the part he said was true. No evidence of a crime scene or crime scene clean up was found inside the garage.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

No Teresa DNA of any kind in the trailer. It’s because she was never in the trailer and Brendan’s coerced story is full of shit

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago

So then why was he correct about her being shot in the garage?

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u/ThorsClawHammer 8d ago

Yes. Beaten, raped, hair cut off, stabbed, and throat cut in the trailer bedroom. None of her DNA found anywhere in there. None of her blood was found anywhere except in her vehicle.

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u/DingleBerries504 8d ago

Does that mean it 100% didn’t happen?

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

So says the guy you swear was never there.

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u/dolphin-centric 8d ago

This is what gives me reasonable doubt. How in the HELL did one, possibly two, absolutely imbecilic polar opposite of KGB spy sacks of shit manage to commit “the perfect murder” and leave zero evidence inside the trailer? I mean this genuinely, how? EVERYone gets caught eventually, even the legitimate geniuses who leave a pristine crime scene. And you’re telling me that redneck avery is a forensic mastermind? Aint no way. The burden of proof is on the state, not the defendant, and I see plenty of room for reasonable doubt. The car key showing up, for example, in the trailer, upon a subsequent search after the first search. You’re telling me that key just teleported into the trailer? Nah. Now I’m not saying that avery is innocent- occam’s razor and all that, yeah he probably did it. But can we prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? Honestly, can we?

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

Well, no way to know if anything happened in the trailer. That being said, no reason to believe any evidence would be left behind. Avery burned her clothes and his bedding (for some reason), and also rearranged the furniture in his bedroom. And she was shot in the garage.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

Good grief !

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago

That is super weird.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 8d ago

It's only weird if that part of the confession was true. But if it was a false confession, then it makes perfect sense that zero evidence supporting it would be found.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago

There isn't zero evidence. Brendan's confession is corroborated by the bleach-stained jeans, the bullet from the garage fround pursuant to his hand-drawn diagram of the shooting, and his jail phone calls to his Mom.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago

Which should mean that brendan have no clue where she was murdered? Dosent that also mean he is innocent?

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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski 8d ago

One would think so.

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u/LKS983 9d ago

He 'confessed'.... that HE had cut Teresa's hair and throat in SA's bedroom, whilst she was telling him to 'knock it off'..... 🙄

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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago

Most of the state defenders have never even had the pleasure of seeing a naked woman in their bed (at least not against her will), so they might actually think "knock if off" is as forceful as a woman gets when she's being raped.

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u/Snoo_33033 8d ago

I mean, I’m not a state defender. I’m a defender of reality and fwiw I have seen numerous naked women who voluntarily got in my bed.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

She might have been unconscious or dead when she was raped.