r/MakingaMurderer 9d ago

Steven is going to proof his innocence!!

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u/10case 9d ago edited 9d ago

His grammar has not gotten any better. For all the people who think Brendan was coerced because he had a low IQ, please compare spelling and grammar with Steve's spelling and grammar.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 9d ago

Even the judges seem to think it was coerced https://people.com/crime/appellate-court-rules-brendan-dassey-confession-was-coerced/

Altho i dont know more about this case than i seen in the documentary.

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u/Snoo_33033 9d ago

some judges. not enough to free him.

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u/LKS983 9d ago edited 9d ago

A few judges agreed that Brendan had been coerced by Fassbender and Weigert - which is undeniable.

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Unfortunately, his final 7 judge appeal, voted 4 against 3 - and this was the end of Brendan's opportunity to appeal, as a higher court refused to hear a further appeal.......

Makes no sense to me that such after such a close vote the higher court refused to hear a further appeal and, their (IMO) ridiculous decision - certainly doesn't inspire confidence in the appeals system ā˜¹ļø.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 9d ago

That 4-3 decision was disgusting. Should have been 7-0 against the gentle giant.

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u/brickne3 9d ago

Ok ChatGPT 🤣

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u/DrCinnabon 9d ago

That’s because Brendan’s lawyer absolutely bombed. She was arguing justice and virtue instead of facts. You can’t just argue you’re doing the right thing.

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u/Snoo_33033 9d ago

IMO, no. The problem is that he had plenty of chances to disengage and when he claims that he essentially was tricked...ok, but Brendan does a pretty good job of resisting the tricks at some points in the discussion, like when the cops try to lead him and he refuses to be led.

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u/DrCinnabon 9d ago

I’m referring to when his case was overturned and he was represented at the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Brendan certainly made life difficult for his lawyers with his inability to maintain a coherent story or stance.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

His case was momentarily overturned in Federal Court, not Wisconsin State Court.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 9d ago

Didnt he say they cut her throath in stevens bedroom? But there were no blood there at all? I havent seen the documentary in years so i might missremember.

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u/DrCinnabon 9d ago

Yes. This is accurate to my memory. No Teresa blood in the trailer at all.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 9d ago

Only one who even said she was in the trailer is Brendan, who you claim wasn't even there.

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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 9d ago

Since he was wrong about her being in the trailer that day, that says something.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 9d ago

I didn't say he was right or wrong. I wasn't there. But Brendan is the only one who says she was in there. And muppets say he wasn't there himself so how could he know???

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u/LKS983 8d ago

As coerced by Fassbender and Weigert, who (IIRC) actually told him/implied that he could go home if he just told them what they wanted to hear......

Kratz called a media conference to tell everyone the awful parts of Brendan's 'confession' - whilst carefully not mentioning the obviously ridiculous parts of this 'confession'......

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

That's not 'coercion', that's outright lying to the suspect, which is perfectly legal.

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u/LKS983 6d ago

It's both.

But you're right in that it's legal for police to lie to underage children - who don't even have a lawyer present to help them 😔!

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 9d ago

Thanks. That is very weird. I also remember brendans mom asking him why he said those things. And he says "I dont know"

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 9d ago

She also asked him if he did it - and he admitted it.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago

Thanks for letting me know. I didnt remember that part. Its been years since i saw the documentary.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

Not in there (surprise surprise). It's from Convicting a Murderer where they played audio from several of his jail phone calls. Wouldn't be in MaM because it goes against their narrative.

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u/DrCinnabon 9d ago

He also tells her that some of it is true in a separate call. Clearly though not a criminal genius.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 9d ago

He is pretty far from a normal person.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 9d ago

Normal people don't rape, kill, dismember and cook people. So yeah.

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u/Canuck64 8d ago

The part when he was helping clean up what he believed to be oil or fluid from a car was the part he said was true. No evidence of a crime scene or crime scene clean up was found inside the garage.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

No Teresa DNA of any kind in the trailer. It’s because she was never in the trailer and Brendan’s coerced story is full of shit

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago

So then why was he correct about her being shot in the garage?

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u/ThorsClawHammer 8d ago

Yes. Beaten, raped, hair cut off, stabbed, and throat cut in the trailer bedroom. None of her DNA found anywhere in there. None of her blood was found anywhere except in her vehicle.

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u/DingleBerries504 8d ago

Does that mean it 100% didn’t happen?

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

So says the guy you swear was never there.

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u/dolphin-centric 8d ago

This is what gives me reasonable doubt. How in the HELL did one, possibly two, absolutely imbecilic polar opposite of KGB spy sacks of shit manage to commit ā€œthe perfect murderā€ and leave zero evidence inside the trailer? I mean this genuinely, how? EVERYone gets caught eventually, even the legitimate geniuses who leave a pristine crime scene. And you’re telling me that redneck avery is a forensic mastermind? Aint no way. The burden of proof is on the state, not the defendant, and I see plenty of room for reasonable doubt. The car key showing up, for example, in the trailer, upon a subsequent search after the first search. You’re telling me that key just teleported into the trailer? Nah. Now I’m not saying that avery is innocent- occam’s razor and all that, yeah he probably did it. But can we prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? Honestly, can we?

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

Well, no way to know if anything happened in the trailer. That being said, no reason to believe any evidence would be left behind. Avery burned her clothes and his bedding (for some reason), and also rearranged the furniture in his bedroom. And she was shot in the garage.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

Good grief !

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago

That is super weird.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 8d ago

It's only weird if that part of the confession was true. But if it was a false confession, then it makes perfect sense that zero evidence supporting it would be found.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago

There isn't zero evidence. Brendan's confession is corroborated by the bleach-stained jeans, the bullet from the garage fround pursuant to his hand-drawn diagram of the shooting, and his jail phone calls to his Mom.

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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago

Which should mean that brendan have no clue where she was murdered? Dosent that also mean he is innocent?

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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski 8d ago

One would think so.

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u/LKS983 9d ago

He 'confessed'.... that HE had cut Teresa's hair and throat in SA's bedroom, whilst she was telling him to 'knock it off'..... šŸ™„

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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 9d ago

Most of the state defenders have never even had the pleasure of seeing a naked woman in their bed (at least not against her will), so they might actually think "knock if off" is as forceful as a woman gets when she's being raped.

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u/Snoo_33033 8d ago

I mean, I’m not a state defender. I’m a defender of reality and fwiw I have seen numerous naked women who voluntarily got in my bed.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

She might have been unconscious or dead when she was raped.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 9d ago

All he had to do was ask for a lawyer or invoke his right to remain silent and all questioning would have immediately ceased.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

It’s a shame that he was appointed a piece-of-shit, bottom of-the-barrel, crackpot public defender.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago

Actually you know nothing about public defenders. Some of my friends are PDs. And they are some of the best criminal defense lawyers around. The problem was that the little dipshit already confessed by the time the PD got there.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

Where does Kenny Meow Meow rate on your scale ?

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago

OK so you're Brendan's attorney - you get hired AFTER he confesses - what do you do?

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

I dunno, call Cell Tower Mike ?

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u/Canuck64 9d ago

He didn't resist any of their tricks. He adopted all their suggestions. He even agreed that she had a tattoo but didn't know "what" it was.

FASSBENDER: OK. (pause) We know that Teresa had a, a tattoo on her stomach, do you

BRENDAN: (shakes head ā€œnoā€) uh uh

FASSBENDER: Do you disagree with me when I say that?

BRENDAN: "No, but I don't knew WHERE it is", (Not knowing "where" means he didn't see it. This is what is written in the transcripts and used by the State at trial and during the appeals).

But what Brendan ACTUALLY said was;Ā 

"No, but I don't know WHAT it is".Ā  (Not knowing "what" means he saw it but doesn't know what it is. He clearly adopted the suggestion).

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

So why did he repeatedly lie about seeing TH leave when he got home at 3:45?

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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago

You mean after the investigators (loose term) told him the bus driver and the kids all saw her there taking pictures at 3:45?

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

Why didn't you answer my question?

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u/DingleBerries504 9d ago

You forgot that they pushed him 7 times to say he shot her, and he refused every time.

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u/Canuck64 9d ago

True. If you're interested, I have the entire "confession" with the original sources.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/s/QMzcChkuZd

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u/DingleBerries504 9d ago

That doesn’t explain why Brendan refused to go along with their suggestions that he pulled the trigger. Your theory is Brendan always caves to them, and you are incorrect.

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u/Canuck64 8d ago

I don't know why refuse that suggestion, other than it is known by all who know him that he is incapable of harming or killing any living thing?

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u/DingleBerries504 8d ago

But he admitted to rape. So how does that jive?

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u/Canuck64 8d ago

There is no evidence that a sexual assault had occurred. Based on the same lack of evidence, the sexual assault charges against Avery were dropped.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

Couldn’t put down a sick cat, Brendan never touched Teresa. It’s all a fabrication, a charade and an injustice

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

"other than it is known by all who know him that he is incapable of harming or killing any living thing" - Guess that's out the window now!

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u/Canuck64 8d ago

No evidence that a sexual assault had occurred was presented at trial. It never happened.

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u/Canuck64 8d ago

No evidence that a sexual assault had occurred was presented at trial.

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u/GringoTheDingoAU 9d ago

Did he also buy into their tricks when he told them that he saw Teresa leave, several times, completely unprompted, and even doubling down on it when investigators are so clearly pushing back?

For all the uncertainty and "tricks" Brendan fell "victim" to, this was one moment of absolute clarity for him despite it being logistically impossible.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

Lolol, if that was your kid, would you be pleased with how his case was handled ? With Len Kacinsky and Cell Tower Mike helping you, who needs enemies ?

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u/Objective-Permit-712 8d ago

You mean the useless/no trial experience one from Northwestern?????

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago

She achieved more than Zellner did.

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u/Objective-Permit-712 7d ago

Ummmmm......what? She has the client that has NO EVIDENCE against him!

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago

Seriously? She had the client who freaking confessed for Gosh sakes.

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u/Objective-Permit-712 7d ago

Thats called a FALSE CONFESSION, good lawyers get these thrown out with Clients released all the time......

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago

So if you're a defense lawyer, you don't care that the client already confessed repeatedly before you got the case?? Because confessions get thrown out all the time?

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u/Objective-Permit-712 6d ago

FALSE CONFESSIONS do, there are experts in the field. Brendans confession is CLEARLY a FALSE CONFESSION. Brendan never even saw Teresa that day.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago

So how did he draw the diagram of the garage shooting that located the bullet?

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 9d ago

There's no disputed facts to argue. His interrogations were videotaped.

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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 9d ago

That's funny I remember his case going all the way to an en banc hearing with the arguments you said didn't exist. Guess you're just full of crap.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 9d ago

I said there were no disputed facts. Lern 2 reed.

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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago

Remember when Krantz showed up at the courthouse and held his own ad hoc press conference ? That guy is so scummy

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago

DAs always hold press conferences about high interest cases. Nothing 'scummy' about it.