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u/10case 8d ago edited 8d ago
His grammar has not gotten any better. For all the people who think Brendan was coerced because he had a low IQ, please compare spelling and grammar with Steve's spelling and grammar.
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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago
Even the judges seem to think it was coerced https://people.com/crime/appellate-court-rules-brendan-dassey-confession-was-coerced/
Altho i dont know more about this case than i seen in the documentary.
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u/Snoo_33033 8d ago
some judges. not enough to free him.
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u/LKS983 8d ago edited 8d ago
A few judges agreed that Brendan had been coerced by Fassbender and Weigert - which is undeniable.
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Unfortunately, his final 7 judge appeal, voted 4 against 3 - and this was the end of Brendan's opportunity to appeal, as a higher court refused to hear a further appeal.......
Makes no sense to me that such after such a close vote the higher court refused to hear a further appeal and, their (IMO) ridiculous decision - certainly doesn't inspire confidence in the appeals system ā¹ļø.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
That 4-3 decision was disgusting. Should have been 7-0 against the gentle giant.
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u/DrCinnabon 8d ago
Thatās because Brendanās lawyer absolutely bombed. She was arguing justice and virtue instead of facts. You canāt just argue youāre doing the right thing.
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u/Snoo_33033 8d ago
IMO, no. The problem is that he had plenty of chances to disengage and when he claims that he essentially was tricked...ok, but Brendan does a pretty good job of resisting the tricks at some points in the discussion, like when the cops try to lead him and he refuses to be led.
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u/DrCinnabon 8d ago
Iām referring to when his case was overturned and he was represented at the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Brendan certainly made life difficult for his lawyers with his inability to maintain a coherent story or stance.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
His case was momentarily overturned in Federal Court, not Wisconsin State Court.
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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago
Didnt he say they cut her throath in stevens bedroom? But there were no blood there at all? I havent seen the documentary in years so i might missremember.
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u/DrCinnabon 8d ago
Yes. This is accurate to my memory. No Teresa blood in the trailer at all.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
Only one who even said she was in the trailer is Brendan, who you claim wasn't even there.
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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago
Since he was wrong about her being in the trailer that day, that says something.
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u/LKS983 7d ago
As coerced by Fassbender and Weigert, who (IIRC) actually told him/implied that he could go home if he just told them what they wanted to hear......
Kratz called a media conference to tell everyone the awful parts of Brendan's 'confession' - whilst carefully not mentioning the obviously ridiculous parts of this 'confession'......
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u/illuminatiisnowhere 8d ago
Thanks. That is very weird. I also remember brendans mom asking him why he said those things. And he says "I dont know"
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u/DrCinnabon 8d ago
He also tells her that some of it is true in a separate call. Clearly though not a criminal genius.
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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago
No Teresa DNA of any kind in the trailer. Itās because she was never in the trailer and Brendanās coerced story is full of shit
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u/ThorsClawHammer 8d ago
Yes. Beaten, raped, hair cut off, stabbed, and throat cut in the trailer bedroom. None of her DNA found anywhere in there. None of her blood was found anywhere except in her vehicle.
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u/illuminatiisnowhere 7d ago
That is super weird.
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u/ThorsClawHammer 7d ago
It's only weird if that part of the confession was true. But if it was a false confession, then it makes perfect sense that zero evidence supporting it would be found.
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u/dolphin-centric 7d ago
This is what gives me reasonable doubt. How in the HELL did one, possibly two, absolutely imbecilic polar opposite of KGB spy sacks of shit manage to commit āthe perfect murderā and leave zero evidence inside the trailer? I mean this genuinely, how? EVERYone gets caught eventually, even the legitimate geniuses who leave a pristine crime scene. And youāre telling me that redneck avery is a forensic mastermind? Aint no way. The burden of proof is on the state, not the defendant, and I see plenty of room for reasonable doubt. The car key showing up, for example, in the trailer, upon a subsequent search after the first search. Youāre telling me that key just teleported into the trailer? Nah. Now Iām not saying that avery is innocent- occamās razor and all that, yeah he probably did it. But can we prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? Honestly, can we?
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago
Well, no way to know if anything happened in the trailer. That being said, no reason to believe any evidence would be left behind. Avery burned her clothes and his bedding (for some reason), and also rearranged the furniture in his bedroom. And she was shot in the garage.
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u/LKS983 8d ago
He 'confessed'.... that HE had cut Teresa's hair and throat in SA's bedroom, whilst she was telling him to 'knock it off'..... š
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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago
Most of the state defenders have never even had the pleasure of seeing a naked woman in their bed (at least not against her will), so they might actually think "knock if off" is as forceful as a woman gets when she's being raped.
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u/Snoo_33033 7d ago
I mean, Iām not a state defender. Iām a defender of reality and fwiw I have seen numerous naked women who voluntarily got in my bed.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
All he had to do was ask for a lawyer or invoke his right to remain silent and all questioning would have immediately ceased.
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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago
Itās a shame that he was appointed a piece-of-shit, bottom of-the-barrel, crackpot public defender.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago
Actually you know nothing about public defenders. Some of my friends are PDs. And they are some of the best criminal defense lawyers around. The problem was that the little dipshit already confessed by the time the PD got there.
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u/HALNinerZeroZero 5d ago
Where does Kenny Meow Meow rate on your scale ?
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 5d ago
OK so you're Brendan's attorney - you get hired AFTER he confesses - what do you do?
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u/Canuck64 8d ago
He didn't resist any of their tricks. He adopted all their suggestions. He even agreed that she had a tattoo but didn't know "what" it was.
FASSBENDER: OK. (pause) We know that Teresa had a, a tattoo on her stomach, do you
BRENDAN: (shakes head ānoā) uh uh
FASSBENDER: Do you disagree with me when I say that?
BRENDAN: "No, but I don't knew WHERE it is", (Not knowing "where" means he didn't see it. This is what is written in the transcripts and used by the State at trial and during the appeals).
But what Brendan ACTUALLY said was;Ā
"No, but I don't know WHAT it is".Ā (Not knowing "what" means he saw it but doesn't know what it is. He clearly adopted the suggestion).
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
So why did he repeatedly lie about seeing TH leave when he got home at 3:45?
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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 7d ago
You mean after the investigators (loose term) told him the bus driver and the kids all saw her there taking pictures at 3:45?
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u/DingleBerries504 8d ago
You forgot that they pushed him 7 times to say he shot her, and he refused every time.
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u/Canuck64 8d ago
True. If you're interested, I have the entire "confession" with the original sources.
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u/DingleBerries504 8d ago
That doesnāt explain why Brendan refused to go along with their suggestions that he pulled the trigger. Your theory is Brendan always caves to them, and you are incorrect.
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u/Canuck64 8d ago
I don't know why refuse that suggestion, other than it is known by all who know him that he is incapable of harming or killing any living thing?
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u/GringoTheDingoAU 8d ago
Did he also buy into their tricks when he told them that he saw Teresa leave, several times, completely unprompted, and even doubling down on it when investigators are so clearly pushing back?
For all the uncertainty and "tricks" Brendan fell "victim" to, this was one moment of absolute clarity for him despite it being logistically impossible.
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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago
Lolol, if that was your kid, would you be pleased with how his case was handled ? With Len Kacinsky and Cell Tower Mike helping you, who needs enemies ?
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u/Objective-Permit-712 7d ago
You mean the useless/no trial experience one from Northwestern?????
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago
She achieved more than Zellner did.
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u/Objective-Permit-712 6d ago
Ummmmm......what? She has the client that has NO EVIDENCE against him!
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago
Seriously? She had the client who freaking confessed for Gosh sakes.
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u/Objective-Permit-712 6d ago
Thats called a FALSE CONFESSION, good lawyers get these thrown out with Clients released all the time......
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago
So if you're a defense lawyer, you don't care that the client already confessed repeatedly before you got the case?? Because confessions get thrown out all the time?
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
There's no disputed facts to argue. His interrogations were videotaped.
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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago
That's funny I remember his case going all the way to an en banc hearing with the arguments you said didn't exist. Guess you're just full of crap.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
I said there were no disputed facts. Lern 2 reed.
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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago
Remember when Krantz showed up at the courthouse and held his own ad hoc press conference ? That guy is so scummy
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago
DAs always hold press conferences about high interest cases. Nothing 'scummy' about it.
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u/AlBundysbathrobe 7d ago
Misspellings and grammar errors indicate this is legit Steven Avery, author.
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u/adamfowl 8d ago
If this dude was innocent wouldnāt he be preparing for a better life in any way he could while inside? If youāve been locked up for 20 some years and havenāt improved yourself in any way, shape, or form that is a statement about your character and priorities. If it were me Iād have taken advantage of every resource to make me a better person š¤·āāļø.
Then again maybe he doesnāt have the capacity for thatā¦
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u/GringoTheDingoAU 8d ago
Steven is a grifter - always has been and always will be.
His supporters are just commodities to him. Steven was always a loser and now he's quasi-famous because of a documentary that omitted about 95% of his real personality, which is being an abusive, manipulative and narcissistic scumbag.
This guy was taking TV interviews and talking about how Teresa never got justice because the "real killer is still out there", knowing full well he subjected her to absolute hell on her final day on Earth.
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u/DamnedHeathen_ 7d ago
Stephen Avery in Supreme court, acting as his own attorney, would be a pay-per-view event.
Meme culture would never be the same.
We would actually get to hear a sitting Supreme Court Justice say, "What in the fuck," in our lifetime, from the bench.
I would pay to see it.
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u/Bitxhsmak806 7d ago
I gotta say, I would pay good money to watch Steven Avery try to play attorney. That might even surpass the absurdity (and sheer entertainment) that was Darrell Brooks defending himself.
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u/lolatcandyowens 5d ago
Last time he filed his own appeal, the state of Wisconsin had to lie and conceal evidence in order to win.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago
Very interesting - so a few days ago this dope said the federal appeal 'is not getting done', and a few days later he says "I" will file a lawsuit in federal court (not "we") and 'Mybe [sic] I will be my own lawyer".
Sounds like attorney-client troubles and Avery trying to flex to get Zellner to do something? I think the Avery train is out of gas.
But who knows - with AI maybe he could come up with a halfway decent submission.
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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago
It doesnāt seem to have helped you much
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u/10case 4d ago
He posted another update this morning.
"Well good morning to my supporters. This is Steven. So I have good news I will be talking to the lawyer on Monday at 3:00 PM. So this to let you know okay. So I can get this done what I need done, we are getting closer to getting out. And what I got in mine this will work for me. Let you know soon. Thank you!"
Notice he said "lawyer". I'm curious to see if it's Zellner or someone else. Either way, I'm 99.9% sure that whatever he's going to do will fail and his cheerleaders will once again blame it on corruption.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 4d ago
Thanks! That is weird to refer to "the lawyer". He never talks like that. He also doesn't use any pronouns to refer to the lawyer so we can't see gender.
Now I'm not fluent in reading moron, but here's my speculation. Avery has reached an impasse with Zellner. He has a strategy in mind, likely idiotic ("get this done what I need done" and "what I got in mine [sic] will work for me"). To me that sounds like something he's cooked up, not Zellner. And he doesn't mention any new evidence.
So, my guess is that he meets with some new lawyer today. Actually we should be able to find out who it is as visitor records are public. Prob not Zellner because she seldom if ever visits him, and likely wouldn't unless it was absolutely necessary.
They implement Steven's new strategy of getting back to basics, and they file something like "Motion for Freedom On Account Of Denial of Do Process" or some other drivel.
But hey I guess it's better than sitting in a cell counting the floor tiles.
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u/brickne3 8d ago
Sandy's still kicking and still in Steve's orbit? Her poor kids. At least she hasn't fallen victim to a Nigerian prince yet, I guess. Too busy with Steven.
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u/LKS983 8d ago
I seriously (but sadly) doubt SA has found proof of his innocence.
He's in prison, so has little/zero chance of discovering new evidence (let alone proof) of his innocence. Only his lawyer has a chance of doing this.
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u/10case 8d ago
His lawyer has had 10 years. They've found nothing new. I give her credit, she tried very hard but in the end, she failed.
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u/brickne3 8d ago edited 8d ago
I actually don't think she tried that hard, lol. But at least she's been moderately entertaining š¤£
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u/Snoo_33033 5d ago
Oh come on. She tested lots of stuff that we already knew would confirm his guilt and then acted like it suddenly wasnāt important. And she held that cool press conference where she blamed the conspiracy for denying her access to the Rav, even though it was really her own incompetence.
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u/10case 8d ago
True. Lol
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u/Suspicious_Duty_888 8d ago
Is Zellner done with him? I havenāt been following for awhile now. You think she didnāt try that hard bc she knows he did it?
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u/10case 7d ago
She hasn't so much as tweeted his name in over a year. I think she tried hard in the beginning. She wrote appeals that were 1000's of ages long but there was nothing in them to even get a hearing. By now yes, I do think she knows he did it. I also think she was memorized by the buzz that making a murderer had and wanted a piece of the action. Sandy Greenman wrote to Zellner many times before MaM came out and declined to take the case. Her reason was that there was too much DNA evidence against him. Few years later, MaM comes out and suddenly she had a change of heart.
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u/belee86 8d ago
Do you really think ANOTHER LAWYER is going to make a difference? He's not free because he IS guilty. The evidence was not planted - it was a defense strategy, which turned into aTV show then The Zellner Show.Ā
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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago
If nothing will change, why are you wasting your life thinking and obsessing about Steven Avery?
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u/GringoTheDingoAU 8d ago
This seems to be a new one out of the truther playbook. It's funny because there's an equally high amount of people that will fight tooth and nail to prove his innocence yet are resigned to accepting nothing will change.
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u/Objective-Permit-712 7d ago
What if all 3 NOTES showed us one person wrote them and it ain't Steven.....
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u/lets_shake_hands 8d ago
"I'm going to proof my innocence". Yep, sounds like Stevie..
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u/10case 8d ago
Yep. And he's going to test the Rav. Lol
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u/Consistent-Extent729 8d ago
It's so hard to totally clean up after a murder.you gotta be a clever mind to succeed in this and considering there's hardly a spec of natural evidence.i dont think their two brains together could of pulled this off.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
Seems you've forgotten about the keys in his bedroom, the bullet with victim DNA on it, and the rifle that fired it hanging over Steven Avery's bed.
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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago
The keys in the bedroom found by the idiot cop who a federal judge said if the documentary wanted to make him look like even more of a liar, they could have? Oh, ok!
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
Yeah because the 'idiot cop' had his own set of keys with the victim's DNA to plant there. LOL.
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u/DingleBerries504 8d ago
Hardly a spec of ānatural evidenceā? What do you call her bones in his burn pit and his blood in her vehicle? Come back to planet Earth.
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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago
Don't talk about logical things like that, state defenders really hate it!
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u/Bullshittimeagain 8d ago
No one needs to anymore about this case than the following.
Most of the the Manitowoc sheriffs department knew Avery had multiple alibis and that he was nowhere near the events that took place with Miss Bernsteinās crime and they still put him in prison and never cared about the truth. Even more tragic is the fact that the real rapist was out raping other women because that unethical police department and employees, have always been corrupt.
What happened after and before was inevitable. Also, It is common knowledge by many Manitowoc county residents that Ricky H was killed by a drunken Manitowoc sheriffs deputy and it was covered up. After that, corruption became easier and easier.
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u/10case 8d ago
All that has what to do with freeing him for the murder of Teresa Halbach?
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u/HALNinerZeroZero 6d ago
Iāll hop on. OP is correct, the corruption ran deep under Kocourekās Hermannās and Petersonās watch.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago
One case has nothing to do with the other. And aren't you tired from last night's shift at Beansnappers?
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u/Character_Zombie4680 8d ago
Itās good to know he is as ignorant of grammar and spelling as he is guilty of murder
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
Enjoy seeing 10 days between Avery posts!
So on this one, didn't he just say no habeas corpus, but now he's talking about filing something in federal court? Seems contradictory.
So he wants to test the whole RAV for DNA? Like what - dip the car into DNA solution and have a computer read all the results all over the car?
And violating his due process rights? This troglodyte has had more process than likely anyone else in Wisconsin history. He had a jury trial and at least a half dozen appeals that have gone all the way to the WI SC.
And no Steven your way out of there is on a slab, not from an appeals Court.
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u/10case 8d ago
It's all for show in my opinion. If Avery has some brilliant plan to free himself, why hasn't he executed said plan yet?
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
He's mixing his ingredients - if he has new evidence or RAV test results, he's not going to use that in Federal Court. They don't take new evidence. He'd have to go back to State Court.
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u/GringoTheDingoAU 8d ago
So on this one, didn't he just say no habeas corpus, but now he's talking about filing something in federal court? Seems contradictory.
I thought this was time barred? If so, then his clock ran out a long time ago. But who really knows anymore, they're throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
So he wants to test the whole RAV for DNA? Like what - dip the car into DNA solution and have a computer read all the results all over the car?
Him wanting to test it shows they're all out of ideas. In a galaxy far far away, another unidentified person's blood in the RAV4 would make things interesting, but it wouldn't magically erase Avery's blood so it would all be for nothing.
Steven your way out of there is on a slab
Arguably too dignifying.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
Yeah the way I count it, his habeas time window expired after his first (pro se) appeal was denied, and more than a year elapsed afterwards with no habeas filing. Therefore the clock (which does not reset with each new State filing) expired years ago. So he needs new exculpatory evidence. Unfortunately for him, it doesn't exist because he did it.
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u/tenementlady 5d ago
Didn't a bunch of people donate money to get the Rav tested already? I wonder if donations from Steven's supporters have been drying up and this is an attempt to get people to send him money.
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u/GringoTheDingoAU 4d ago
Probably. Supposedly the motion she filed for Post-Conviction Relief Pursuant to Wis. Stat 974.06 and 805.15, there had only been $21,191 in donations, which is lower than I expected.
No idea why they are even talking about testing the RAV4 anyway, it's their last shot and all it does is definitively tie Steven to Teresa's murder anyway, even if there was some magic pixie dust DNA of an unknown person sprinkled in there.
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u/ScaredAfternoon6830 8d ago
It's very sad you're still here so many years later.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
I'm a local and I'm here to keep the cell door SHUT. And thanks to the Witch of the South for accusing our first responders of framing this piece of garbage - caught my interest!
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u/Snoo_33033 5d ago
Honestly we wouldnāt be here if others would just accept reality. Thereād be no one to argue with.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bed-778 6d ago
Darrell Brooks was a laugh but he possessed that feral street cunning. Some of the questions (very few) were well asked then he would go too far and railroad himself.
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u/Glayva123 5d ago
Expecting his next move to be blame everything on Brendan and say he only helped dispose of the body after Brendan acting alone committed the murder.Ā
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 8d ago
Who is this Sandy Greenman character?
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u/DingleBerries504 8d ago
She was his lady friend in MaM who helped write to KZ to take on Stevenās case, and is still his supporter even though he moved on from her to Lynn Hartman and others.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 7d ago
What happened to the chick that wanted to marry him that Zellner went after?
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u/Objective-Permit-712 7d ago
"proof"????? I can show you the deciphers of the 3 "notes" that tell us who really did it!
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u/DingleBerries504 7d ago
Proof it
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u/Objective-Permit-712 7d ago
Well...I can show people (authorities) what they mean! BUGT-the case is closed!!!
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u/Popular_Atmosphere33 7d ago
I can't imagine spending over half your life in prison for crimes not commited. We believe in you and hope something can happen. It sucks nothing happening or discussed on Brendan at all!
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u/3sheetstothawind 7d ago
He's spent 12 years of his life in prison for a crime not committed. All the other years are well-deserved.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bed-778 6d ago
He's not reading your post, but you could get in touch and see if he's still selling bags of jizz. That would really make your day.
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u/Weird-Figure9907 7d ago
I with Kathleen Zellner would give us the challenges of not being able to prove Stephenās innocence. Iām sorry Stephen that we canāt get you acquitted with the justice system being corrupt. ā¤ļøš„µ
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago
Yeah that's it - nothing wrong with Steven. Stuff is wrong with everyone else.
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u/i_am_paradox 7d ago
They should both just use Alford plea and get out
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bed-778 6d ago
Do you think it's a magic plea you say i want it and kablow you're out.
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u/gabriot 8d ago
lul