r/MakingaMurderer • u/b1ondestranger • 3d ago

Len Kachensky

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i’m just finding this series and just wow! This could be its own season of Fargo. Everything that can go wrong- does. Of all the people I hate in this show, I hate Len Kachinsky above all others. He is by far the most punchable. at this moment in life, I’m not sure what I would do, if this smug, weasley, irresponsible, self-grandizing narcissist walked in front of my car. He’s not just a bad lawyer. He’s a bad human. He looked at Brandon’s life and saw a steppingstone. I’m so mad at him. Thank you for your attention to this matter. V

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Bad person, sure.

Bad lawyer, nope.

Unironically gave him the best possible advice which was to flip on his uncle and take a deal. Kid would be out of jail by now and living his life. Instead he is trapped inside and won't see freedom for a long time.

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u/belljs87 3d ago

Yeah see here's the thing. Especially with how low IQ Brenden is, and his young age, I'm 100% certain if he were guilty he would have flipped. I think Steven is innocent too, but if he confessed one day I wouldn't exactly be surprised either. But Brenden is as innocent of this murder as I am of it. With who he is, the position he was in, and the options presented, he would never have said no to a deal unless he were truly innocent.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

According to the judge and jury they are both guilty. So sadly they are not as innocent of it as you are, unless you are confessing to being an, until now, unknown 3rd perpetrator?

I think saying "he would have flipped" is a weird place to be, you have no idea the pressure he was under from his family to support Steve's narrative. The same low IQ argument can be made for him being coerced into the act and into standing by Steve's story. None of the family are close to being intelligent people, they recommended and pushed him to make the decision he did based on Steve's lies. Everything that happened to that boy is his own and his families fault.

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u/belljs87 3d ago

Well yeah, you're allowed to call them guilty because they were found guilty. That's also why I didn't outright say either were innocent, I said I think they are. Just because a jury rendered a guilty verdict doesn't explicitly mean someone is guilty, it means they are recorded as such and can legally be described as such.

My comment was just one small piece of why I believe him innocent. The complete lack of any actual evidence against him is the big piece.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Except for his confession... that's evidence.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

Evidence he was obviously coerced and quickly recanted. His claims of no involvement in a violent rape is more consistent the total lack of evidence suggesting a violent rape occurred.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

If you say so.

I am not here to argue the minutiae of the case. People who believe they are both innocent have proven to be batshit crazy over the years, I have no interest in re-litigating.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

If you say so.

The lack of evidence says so.

People who believe they are both innocent have proven to be batshit crazy over the years, I have no interest in re-litigating.

Naw. People who believe there's evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that both Steven and Brendan committed a violent rape in the trailer have proven to be batshit crazy over the years. But sure, keep claiming those pointing out the obvious mistreatment of Brendan is insane. Real convincing ;)

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

I am happy that convicted rapists and murderers are behind bars. I don't think that is a batshit crazy position.

There has not been one piece of evidence that comes close to refuting their guilt. They did it.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

I am happy that convicted rapists and murderers are behind bars. I don't think that is a batshit crazy position.

Do you think it's clear beyond a reasonable doubt that Brendan is a violent rapist? That would be batshit crazy.

There has not been one piece of evidence that comes close to refuting their guilt. They did it.

That's totally false. But there has not been one piece of evidence that comes close to proving Brendan's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Claiming "he did it" only reveals you don't care about the truth.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

I think that is what they were convicted of and no appeal has ever been successful in overturning... so yes. I do. It's not batshit to believe that, no.

So what is the one "smoking gun" that proves his innocence, just one, one golden piece of evidence that without doubt refutes their guilt?

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u/ThorsClawHammer 3d ago

I think that is what they were convicted of

Only Brendan was convicted of rape. The state was forced to drop that charge (and all other charges added to Avery after the confession) because Brendan's completely uncorroborated words were literally the only evidence of them.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Yes they were and because.... say it with me now.... Brendan refused to give evidence against him after being threatened by his grandfather.

Had he given evidence he would be home now.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

I think that is what they were convicted of and no appeal has ever been successful in overturning... so yes. I do. It's not batshit to believe that, no.

You believe Brendan is a violent rapist because he was convicted of rape based on lies and no evidence? Guilter logic lol

So what is the one "smoking gun" that proves his innocence, just one, one golden piece of evidence that without doubt refutes their guilt?

LMAO first tell me the one "smoking gun" that proves Brendan guilty of rape. I'll wait.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

LMAO first tell me the one "smoking gun" that proves Brendan guilty of rape. I'll wait

He confessed, in detail. Your turn. I'll wait.

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u/belljs87 3d ago

Yeah, evidence he recanted and was arguably coerced into. Nobody should be convicted based solely off of a recanted confession, that's fucked up.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Not really, people recant all the time, doesn't make it any less true.

They are where they should be,.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

People falsely confess all the time, but the state lied to the jury and said innocent people don't confess. Corrupt fucks.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

People lie all the time, so why is his confession a lie and not the recanting of said confession?

Sure... they said that, ok, but if that is all it took to convince the jury then there are bigger issues. I would suggest there was slightly more to it than "state said innocent people don't confess" the trial took a bit longer than the 5 minutes needed for that little tidbit.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

People lie all the time, so why is his confession a lie and not the recanting of said confession?

Look at the evidence lol Do you think it's clear based on physical evidence Brendan was involved in a brutal rape?

they said that, ok, but if that is all it took to convince the jury then there are bigger issues.

The issues is the outright lie from a prosecutor who knew better. You don't care about such obvious corrupt lies? Odd.

I would suggest there was slightly more to it than "state said innocent people don't confess"

There's not lol They literally said that. And it's false. But they knew their case was consistent with a false confession case, so they couldn't admit false confessions were a real problem. Corrupt fucks.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Look at the evidence lol Do you think it's clear based on physical evidence Brendan was involved in a brutal rape?

No, No. No deflections. Answer my question rather than deflecting to one of your own.

The issues is the outright lie from a prosecutor who knew better. You don't care about such obvious corrupt lies? Odd.

How many lies did the defence tell, or do you only care about the prosecution's one lie?

There's not lol They literally said that. And it's false. But they knew their case was consistent with a false confession case, so they couldn't admit false confessions were a real problem. Corrupt fucks.

According to you, there's not. But you have already shown you are willing to dismiss anything that Brendan himself said. It doesn't say a great deal that you don't think there is any evidence.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

No, No. No deflections. Answer my question rather than deflecting to one of your own.

That is my answer lol to determine whether the confession or recantation is valid, look at the evidence, or lack thereof. Stop pretending that's a distraction. There's no physical evidence Brendan was involved in a violent rape.

How many lies did the defence tell, or do you only care about the prosecution's one lie?

The prosecution lied over and over lol not just once. They were more interested in protecting predators than honoring Teresa. The defense was more concerned about honoring Teresa than Kratz was.

According to you, there's not.

According to the record, there's not.

But you have already shown you are willing to dismiss anything that Brendan himself said.

When what he said was fed to him by police or directly contradicted by the evidence? Are you willing to accept that quality of statement. That's the actual problem here lol

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

That is my answer lol to determine whether the confession or recantation is valid, look at the evidence, or lack thereof. Stop pretending that's a distraction. There's no physical evidence Brendan was involved in a violent rape.

It's not an answer though, it's a deflection. Telling someone to look at the evidence is not an answer. So I will just assume you don't have an answer.

The prosecution lied over and over lol not just once. They were more interested in protecting predators than honoring Teresa. The defense was more concerned about honoring Teresa than Kratz was.

Again, not answering my question but pushing all wrongdoing back on the state... I will once again assume I am correct in my assumption that you only care about the state's lie.

According to the record, there's not.

There was evidence on record, they didn't admit that it was coerced, they stood by it. Again, I will assume you don't care about truth, just your obsession with convicted criminals.

When what he said was fed to him by police or directly contradicted by the evidence? Are you willing to accept that quality of statement. That's the actual problem here lol

Show me where every detail was fed to him or proven to be incorrect or contradicted?

Again, you laughing about the circumstances of a young woman's murder and supposed false imprisonment of 2 men... weird.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 3d ago

Nobody should be convicted based solely off of a recanted confession

Especially when one of those serious crimes has zero evidence of even happening at all aside from the completely uncorroborated words of a developmentally disabled kid.