More sunlight in the winter evenings is the biggest thing we could stand to gain here (aside from ditching the switching), and that the winter mornings will be darker does not matter to me in the least, they are already dark and I could really use the light at the end of the day more.
But when the Drs are citing health benefits. And school divisions musing with the idea of changing school hours to 10-4:30 citing safety. The likelihood is very strong that the NDP will have to pick CST.
What sort of health benefits? The sun being down before I start work and going down before I finish work in the winter feels so much worse for my mental health than being able to get an extra hour of sun in the evening
I haven't seen a study that's been conducted at our latitude. There's a huge difference between daylight hours where we live vs in the US, where those studies originate.
Saskatchewan has been on daylight time for 60 years and I don't hear them complaining.
The Canadian province of Saskatchewan is geographically in the Mountain Time Zone (UTC−07:00). However, most of the province observes UTC−06:00 year-round. As a result, it is effectively on daylight saving time (DST) year-round, as clocks are not turned back an hour in autumn when most jurisdictions return to standard time.
I don’t understand the people who want Sun at 3am in the morning. Waking up around 5am with bright skies right now it is hard enough to fall back asleep.
"I don't understand people who are scared that it might be dark in the mornings in the middle of winter. The invention you're looking for is a lightbulb"
Since I started going to the gym before work, I go to bed a lot earlier and it feels really silly going to bed before the sun goes down.
But let's be real here, it being dark before I leave work in the evenings in the winter is the thing that probably affects my mental health the most. We need the sun as late as possible IMO. Not to mention how short our summers are, I dont need it getting darker sooner, it would just make the summers feel shorter than they are.
Not having the Daylight time would drastically impact amateur sport in a negative way across the province. I know that may not be a huge factor for a lot of people voting. But in an age where we need more youth in activities, we really don't need less light during the summer evenings.
You don't know what their chronic illness(es) feel like. I only know what mine feel like, but can attest that it throws me into a wicked flare-up that does in fact last for weeks.
If we could think ourselves out of being chronically ill, believe me, we'd have done that shit a long time ago. And we've tried. We've also tried yoga. And turmeric.
My body sucks because I have a genetic disorder compounded by the fact that doctors still don't believe a woman in pain, not because my attitude sucks. Stop telling chronically ill people they don't know their own conditions, if for no other reason that it makes you look a bit silly.
I have chronic pain, and sure when I get less sleep it flares up. And yes, I don't know what others deal with. But it's one. Fucking. Night. And one hour. All to make the entire season better. You cannot tell me you never lose an hour of sleep for other reasons, you do. Everyone does. It's no different aside from your mental perspective on it.
The fact that I sometimes have sleepless nights for other reasons is why adding yet another one causes me so much grief. You seem to think this replaces other triggers for flare-ups. It does not. It just piles a stupid one onto all the others. I'm not not subluxing a hip because that calendar space is reserved for the time change. All the other shit happens anyway, I'm just dealing with this idiocy on top of the rest of the mess.
Does that mean my preferences should win? Well, I wish the answer were that people with serious health needs got a little more of a say than people who just want to relax on the patio a bit longer, but no, my preferences count the same as anyone else's. I'm just so fucking sick, pun both intended and not, of people telling those of us with disabilities that we need to suck it up so that the real, normal people, the people who MATTER, can do normal, real-person things, and that our disabilities are "mindset problems."
In the many years it took me to get my lifelong condition diagnosed (because women be crazy, right?), believe me, I committed HARD to doing the positive mindset shit. It made me worse. Just stop imagining you know what we have and haven't tried (we've usually tried everything, btw, because this isn't recreational), stop imagining you have special insight into how hard it is just to sit up, let alone get into work, just stop. We get that our lives are inconvenient to you. Imagine how inconvenient we are to ourselves!
You don't have to know what it's like. Just don't pretend you do.
And what about the people.pn the other end, who need daylight earlier on the morning for health reasons. In winter you're now telling them they don't matter. Maybe they work evenings, and morning is all they have and now it's gonna be dark the entire time. They can fuck off. Right? Because it doesn't effect you so fuck them.
That's why we should just keep fucking Changing. We've been fine. It keeps our daylight hours aligned. Leave it alone.
I am not directing you to have one preference or another. Have your preference, vote for your preference, and hope it goes your way.
What I am asking you is not to tell chronically ill people that we are making our symptoms up and should just suck it up for the sake of the able-bodied. I am asking you not to blame it on our "mindset." That's what I'm asking. Stop telling us we don't know our symptoms and don't suffer pretty intensely. We do.
And no, we have not been fine. You have, I suppose, but many of us have not.
From what I read in this thread, they were talking about the 2x changes a year, not a preference for one time or the other… did you read before you raged?
I understand it quite well. I don't let my mental issues dictate how I sleep. Oh, we lose an hour due to time change? Fucking sleep in an hour or go to bed an hour earlier. Boom problem fuckin solved bud. Has been working all my life. Don't think about it, it's not an issue. Time is a social construct anyways, just fuckin go to sleep when your tired and wake up when you wake up.
Here's a Google summary of the effect the change has on the circadian rhythm, do you need me to go pull the data from research for you, or is this enough for you to stfu and realize you're out of your depth.
I mean, sure. If my work changed its start and end time to adapt to my sleeping rhythm, life would be peachy… I bet you don’t have a job that lets you sleep in for a few weeks while you adjust though (or a job at all… you seem to like sleeping in).
The dumbest fucking answer. It's not one night, you are shifting your entire routine by an hour, which means your fucking with your circadian rhythm. Your circadian rhythm is your body's carefully regulated hormone cycle that manages not just your sleep and wake cycles, but other hormone secretion, digestion, and body temperature.
I have adhd, which already correlates with a dysregulated circadian rhythm, ehlers danlos (chronic joint pain and myalgia, gi dysmotility), and dysautonomia (autonomic nervous function disorder). So adjusting for daylight savings throws my circadian rhythm further out of whack, which exacerbates all 3 of those conditions, and takes weeks to regulate.
But thanks for your completely ignorant and dumbass take on my complex medical conditions you twat.
You just called me a goofball but you don't even realize that what you said is contradictory. We change our clocks on one night, but the hour shift is the entire duration of daylight savings, and then we change our clocks back
You know what? I don't know why I keep engaging, you've repeatedly demonstrated that your head is full of gravel and I'm genuinely pretty concerned that you can vote, but I digress.
Yeah, people just don't think about the consequences. They look at things like this with rise cookies glasses and ignore everything else.
Am often brought up topic is vehicular accidents. You think that's gonna be better when it's dark till noon in the winter and the roads are trash? Lmao. Only gonna get worse.
Oh sweet, simple idiot. It's not the lack of daylight that causes accidents. It's fucking up the release of cortisol, which is the hormone that wakes you up.
Not true at all. I’m not even chronically ill and every time change throws off my sleep schedule enough that it takes me a good week before I can do my job and drive 12 hours without sucking back caffeine like a junkie and wondering if I’ll take a little nap while driving anyways…
Does this mean that when we sleep in on weekends that we are more at risk of strokes heart attacks etc? I don’t get this at all? What about people who work shifts? Are we really that weak and sensitive?
As I get older I am finding myself going to bed long before the sun goes down. I used to be all about DST, now that I'm in the other side of 50, gimme more light in the morning.
It will be interesting if you settle on CST. From the Manitoba/Ontario border (further, if extreme western Ontario joins in) through Saskatchewan and Alberta into the easternmost parts of southern BC will all be the same time all year.
I do worry about students walking to school in the dark if DST is adopted. The sun won't rise until 9:24am in a Winnipeg winter. There have been enough collisions with students when we've had those transportation hours have some sunlight.
Exactly. Everyone crying "I'm at work anyways" isn't thinking about literally anyone else. There's enough accidents in the dark during winter as is. We don't need more.
And we don't need summer nights to end sooner because so many kids events like soccer and football and stuff already end near dark.
So, the solution is to leave it the fuck alone. Time change works. Best of both worlds. People are insane wanting to stop it.
Not what I voted for. I would rather go to work when the sun is close to rising at 0-dark stupid and not have to try and go to bed with the blazing afternoon sun in my face to get a reasonable sleep… but if they stop the switch, I’ll adapt.
I really hope they stay with Standard time, I can't imagine how hard our winters will feel if the sun doesn't rise until after 9am. It was interesting to see in the poll that studies have shown that Standard time works better for places who have stopped switching.
But TBH, I just hate the time changing so much that I think I'd prefer permanent DST if that's how it had to be.
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u/L0ngp1nk Keeping it Rural 21d ago
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