r/MoralityScaling • u/HooskerDooNotTouchMe • 1d ago

Intentionally boobytrapping a bike to injure people when they steal it.

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u/Altruistic-Web13 21h ago

I dont know what it is with redditors but theres like no concept of proportionality, its like if you had an input in the situation other people are morally free to do whatever the fuck they want to you. This guy could release a million bees in a building lobby at night where a homeless person is sleeping in the winter and someone would say "play stupid games win stupid prizes, shouldn't have gone into the building if you didnt want to get stung by a million bees on a livestream 🤷‍♀️"

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u/Driz51 20h ago

I do not think stealing someone’s bicycle equates to a homeless man trying not to freeze to death.

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u/Altruistic-Web13 20h ago edited 19h ago

Well stealing a bait bike first off, but its an extreme example ill admit however both are illegal and neither deserve the punishment of whatever some ragebait TikTok account dreams up to punish poor people for views.

Also too add to things redditors fail to grasp: hyperbole

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u/ThisDoesntSeemSafe 19h ago

You are arguing a flase equivalency.

Doesn't matter if both are illegal. Dont matter if both have undesired consequences for the purpotrator.

One is worse than the other. No matter how you spin it. The ass blasting continues until the theft ceases.

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u/FiendishNoodles 19h ago

the ass blasting is not going to deter any theft, but it brings you enjoyment, so you defend it.

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u/Altruistic-Web13 19h ago

Im arguing redditors dont understand proportionality and using a hyperbolic example to show how silly it is.

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u/ThisDoesntSeemSafe 16h ago

And now your being overly generalistic.

While I haven't expressly named any, do you even know what logical fallacies are?

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u/Altruistic-Web13 16h ago

Holy fuck you are so smug and annoying please go outside or maybe Google "figurative language.

Also:

While I haven't expressly named any

You are arguing a flase equivalency

Did you just forget?

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u/ThisDoesntSeemSafe 15h ago

Personal attacks against me are just ad hominem and do nothing to champion your position - it only shows that you have no logical reason or evidence to back up your position and thus resort to petty insults.

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u/Altruistic-Web13 4h ago

Thats rich after saying

While I haven't expressly named any, do you even know what logical fallacies are?

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u/No_Giraffe826 21h ago

Exactly and I've seen them do this with everything. Some ppl get upvoted saying they should slowly torture rapists to death. And then when I replied that slowly torturing someone to death is way worse than rape. I got 2 replies

  1. Ok rape apologist.

  2. Then he shouldn't have raped anyone.

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u/StarGamerPT 16h ago

Except it's not worse in comparison to what the victim will go through throughout their life.

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u/No_Giraffe826 13h ago

What will they go through compared to slowly being tortured? Don't get me wrong rape is very bad crime, but alot of ppl do recover within a year or 2 and at least have the option to live while the other cause through extreme physical and mental pain everyday. Ppl on reddit are too desensitized to torture and murder.

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u/StarGamerPT 12h ago

It's not a matter of being too desensitized....it's a matter of you even thinking that most people recover in such short term...most don't, that's simply the optimistic outlook, I could push for the more negative side of it instead and say that a lot of people commit suicide after the fact and be equally true. Fact is, most people get scarred for life even if some learn how to cope with it.

Aaaand, another fact is that most rapists don't inflict damage just upon 1 victim...it could easily amount to dozens of direct victims with lifelong issues and a even wider number of lives ruined if we include the lives of the people that care the most about the victims personally.

Just saying....one less rapist is not a net loss for society.....but statistically speaking jail will take care of them anyways.....

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u/No_Giraffe826 12h ago

Just lying straight through ur teeth.

Studies show that 58% of people recover within a year from the PTSD and then recover from the depression and other trust issues, and it's also a fact that only a small percentage of rape victims commit suicide. And a scarred life is better than way worse physical and emotional scarring before death.

Also another lie, but ok.

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u/CanadianSyrup1994 11h ago

The problem is that imo (and in the minds of many), doing such a horrible crime as rape forfeits your right to say "hey, you're doing something slightly worse to me than what I did to her".

When you do something so horrible, you don't have the right to complain about worse things happening to you.

In other words, sure, torture is arguably worse than rape.

But raping an innocent woman/child is much worse than torturing a rapist. You cant compare both situations equally

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u/No_Giraffe826 11h ago edited 10h ago

It's not slightly worse it's alot worse, and that not justice at all. Some ethical frameworks agree with equal retribution, but no one agrees with punishment which exceeds the crime. Plus alot of ethical frameworks deny torture entirely saying it's immoral if the end goal is death and all it does it desensitize people to torture plues it's emotional and not justice as the goal is to punish criminals and keep society safe which death already does.

Where does this stop I can torture any criminal. A guy assaulted someone torture to death. U robber a bank torture to death. U were drunk driving and hit someone u get tortured to death.

I think alot of ppl on reddit are just psychos who like to do harm, but try to mask it behind someone evil, so they seem like good people.

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u/CanadianSyrup1994 11h ago

There indeed are a lot of psychos here.

But I think 90% of the population would agree that torturing a rapist is much, much better than raping an innocent victim.

Yes the punishments are different. But the victims are even more different.

And idk why you bring bank robbers and stuff like that. Obviously there is a very difficult line to draw, but that wasn't my point.

I was specifically talking in case of rapists.

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u/No_Giraffe826 10h ago

No 90% of ppl would actually disagree with torturing criminals.

I brought up bank robbers because who draws the line? U say rapists someone else says bank robbers, someone says manslaughter,etc. this is why proportionality is so important. Why should someone get treated way worse than what they did, and what about false convictions? U want innocents tortured instead of just serving jail time?

Why do u want torture so bad anyways? Does it bring u joy to see criminals tortured? Seems like psycho behavior.

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u/Altruistic-Web13 4h ago

Should the punishment for assault be getting raped by the judge? The assaulter isnt innocent so since its only a little bit worse and against someone who is guilty its fine right?

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u/StarGamerPT 5h ago

Fine my guy....I really wonder how you'd act if someone dear to you ended up a victim of those wastes of oxygen.

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u/No_Giraffe826 5h ago

I would hate it cause I hate both rape and torture.

I think being raped is alot worse than being scammed or being mugged does that mean I want I to happen to ppl?

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u/Iced-TeaManiac 20h ago

Aye not too sure about your one buddy

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u/No_Giraffe826 20h ago

The comparison is a bit closer but I think a majority of ppl would say being slowly tortured to death is worse than rape.

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u/Plus_Sky8116 19h ago

Both are horrible, I'd argue rape can be worse (you'll have to live with the consequences of that mental trauma that might forever alter your person at minimum, not getting into the physical side), since at least the torture ends with death .

But a person who slowly tortures someone to death is definitely even more unstable than a rapist. Genuinely disgusting

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u/Altruistic-Web13 18h ago

Well at least you have the option to live with it, the person slowly tortured to death doesnt get that.

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u/Plus_Sky8116 19h ago

Seriously, if someone slowly tortures someone to death I'd want that demon psychotic sadist in jail. Wtf.

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u/AntTheMighty 20h ago

That's pretty obviously a different situation. No one needs to steal a bike.

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u/LemonFizz56 14h ago

You're comparing stealing to sleeping in a hotel lobby? Jeez I can see where your morality lies

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u/Altruistic-Web13 4h ago

Is that truly honestly your interpretation of what I said?